does SMN really out dps MNK/DRG?

[Seobit]

Ah, no.

That's not quite how it works.

From the guy who writes FFXIV-APP:

I take your level * X and get some damage base from that.

That was a week or two ago though and I know he made a different formula that tries to guess your damage based on ruin damage, but when I tested it I got even worse numbers so I don't know if it got any better since. I did my testing by simply writing down the damage the game displayed and comparing it to the damage the parser displayed, and the numbers were a consistent 20% difference. Crits were never shown either.

[Rochetm]

Couple pages here to answer the "Why did melee get buffed?" question going around. If Smn continues to be top dps I expect to see another big buff for drgs and a smaller one for Mnk.

If bard had to much utility for their dps then Smn certainly does.

[T0rin]

From what I've been able to gather, the parsers sample your reliable damage (Ruin, etc.) to determine what it can expect from a specific potency amount. Then it translates that to DoT potency, and applies it on a per second (or portion of a second) basis, throughout the course of the DoT duration, until it is refreshed/over-written or the mob dies.

It is true that it does not factor in crit damage, but someone in i60 vs someone in i90 will get significantly more DoT damage 'credit' on the merit of the other abilities that the parser is sampling, doing more damage.

And of course there are certain abilities that parsers do not track at all.

[Aphrini]

I think us weak SMN should just stfu and be told by our stick swinging overlords how life is as they are obviously our superiors

*edit missed a word ^^v

[Rochetm]

I think us weak SMN should just stfu and be told by our stick swinging overlords how life as they are obviously our superiors

Quote for future use when people ask why melee get buffed.

[Artac]

If a great SMN can out-do a great MNK then I'm all for it, because as of 2.1 I'm destroying faces and I'd love to have someone at/above my dps right alongside me.

[Warrlordd]

idk... evidence is pretty conclusive. When a tank dies, i get smacked first. That's some pretty. basic. evidence.

Still, lmao at the SMN who think they do more DPS. They don't really, and I don't know why they got nerfed.

BUT, for the record, the helm/robe for SMN is pretty badass. No arguments from me

[Viridiana]

idk... evidence is pretty conclusive. When a tank dies, i get smacked first. That's some pretty. basic. evidence.

Still, lmao at the SMN who think they do more DPS. They don't really, and I don't know why they got nerfed.

BUT, for the record, the helm/robe for SMN is pretty badass. No arguments from me

Nearly 1/4 of the SMN's DPS isn't counting towards his aggro, even if he doesn't use Quelling Strikes, which you don't have access to. Aggro is only somewhat reliable as a measure of relative DPS.

[Warrlordd]

Nearly 1/4 of the SMN's DPS isn't counting towards his aggro, even if he doesn't use Quelling Strikes, which you don't have access to. Aggro is only somewhat reliable as a measure of relative DPS.

Yeah i drop my aggro too. fair point about 1/4 of SMN dps not generating aggro to the character.

The only real way to determine how much a DoT is doing is via much parsing of SMN dots, with a mob that has a set (and known) amount of HP. Then you could apply your dot, figure out how much time it took to take down a certain amount of HP, then the HP/time would be your Dots DPS. Do that many times to create a control sample, and you can pretty well assume thats your dot damage in an instance. you could even figure the average tick strength too. I'm pretty sure parsers can pick up how many times a dot ticks for damage. basically it's still possible to determine a SMN DPS pretty accurately. On another note, I'm sure bosses don't have higher resists to physical or magical attacks, as I don't see any difference from WP/AK all the way through turn 4/5 with my attacks.


So, its a P.I.T.A. but you can do it. If you really want to. OR, you can just do DPS and as long as boss dies, you can presume your DPS was competent. (or you can just thank your DRG, if you wanan be really honest :P)

[Viridiana]

Ah, I did forget about Elusive Jump. . .