does SMN really out dps MNK/DRG?

[Nofacekiller]

can't be true right?

[Ruri]

It can and is (usually)

[Nofacekiller]

im not even gonna complain, they got far worse problems to iron out in this game, but i hope they can buff MNK aoe a tiny bit. No raptor form AOE move is kinda painful, and AOTD 50 potency is a joke lol

[Warrlordd]

lol no way on earth, ever, at all, i get beat by any summoner i have ever met in game (and i met full i90) at all, for any reason, whatsoever

[LongNu]

lol no way on earth, ever, at all, i get beat by any summoner i have ever met in game (and i met full i90) at all, for any reason, whatsoever

Same. Same goes for MNK, esp since 2.1

[Zerosix]

I think people over estimate smn dps. I do think they can hang with the best and have great utility, BUT they are not the end all be all.

[Seobit]

Yoshi P said SMN top deeps.

[xardus]

i have both,smn and mnk...and i dont think that smn is better than monk,maybe (and i say maybe) doing some maths can be quiet near but smn has about 6\7 skills to manage more than monk,this make it very very dependant on player skills,and more skills number more time u loose to check theme all when u can cast or not cast,ur mana,ur charges and aether recast time left,have to drag and drop out ground aoe ,all of this makes a summoner loose much time in "thinking" ,yeah i know are just half seconds,but image that maybe in pharos at first boss,when u have to avoid aoe for more than 3\4 seconds often you have to recast all dots loosing time because no dmg for about 9 seconds,avoid aoe means loose another 3 sec and recast
this is pretty the same of blm i think but manage 6 skills isnt the same of managing 17 i think
my monk is quiet low level,im still on titan for relic,but i found it very very easier to play,expecially watching at titan i can avoid quiet easier plumes and dont stop to dps,only in X bombs for example,i think there are much difficult boss for melee class aswell,but really my monk with GC weapon,darklite armor but low level jewellery,watching parser do pretty the same dmg as my summoner with r+1 and half myth gear
of course smn in the best in 2->4 groups of mob cos of bane and SF,for example coil t1 caduceus is very usefull have a summoner for dotting both copies

im now trying to change playstile after "nerf" of smn and im finding titan egi very usefull on certain boss with 1 big add who likes ur healer hehe,swiftcast its awsome for that purposes,but u loose it for a ress u can need later in fight

anyway for who is asking,calculation with parser i did,are before 2.1 , now parses didnt work need some update i think

[Madoka]

In equal gear and skill a SMN will slightly out DPS anything

Unfortunately both of those scenarios are hard to achieve. Just look at the SMNs who think thunder wasn't a loss.

[xardus]

In equal gear and skill a SMN will slightly out DPS anything

Unfortunately both of those scenarios are hard to achieve. Just look at the SMNs who think thunder wasn't a loss.

thunder IS a BIG loss for arcanist,but im trying to adapt and use sometime blizzard2 on some situations,really its just testing but its fun use it lol
smn is just much more difficult to play of any other class,but i really dont think is better than monk,in 8 party with a mnk geared of my fc he was around 225 dps by parser,casting everything on a boss i was near 180 + 40\50 of the pet
i feel i outdmg mnk only when dont have to avoid aoes,then its a fucking mess LOOOL
i know parser cant be used to precision maths on smn but really,for example in ak in 3mob groups,i reached 308 dps without pet hehehehe