Why not to do well in the game

[Gamemako]

They...really don't.

It's likely that they do have logs, but they'll be more limited than people really expect. It's important to keep in mind just how many actions are taken by players on a server -- the data here is massive and is essentially something you can only analyze algorithmically (simply manipulating it so a GM can view it after the fact is a mess). The problem is that you have huge manpower requirements to manually chase down those attached to RMTs. If you just grabbed everyone associated with the account, then RMTs would buy random items just to get innocent players involved and gum up the works.

SE's actions with regard to these players may be similar to what they did with the FC housing prices on legacy servers. That early crafter ban wave was on anyone with a certain sum of gil on non-Legacy servers, and they all came back to reduced gil. The problem there was that RMTs were duping gil en masse and handing it out in piles. I suspect that the gil reduction was a targeted way to trim the total amount of gil in the economy after that exploit was patched. Rather than risk orphaning some players by taking portion of everyone's gil (and causing an uproar besides), SE went to the people with a ton of gil, assumed they could take the hit, and confiscated the gil. It's also a much easier PR sell to take from the fat cats than the average joes.

It sounds like that is exactly what is being done.

That would be the first I've heard of such a problem. Quite the opposite, SE has shown a propensity for blanket bans on players who have high gil stocks regardless of whether they were involved with anyone accused of RMT activity.

[indira]

hard to make money now people could be selling one thing for 50k but decide to under you and sell it for 20k dont know what there thinking. some stuff the mats cost more then the end items.

[Kallera]

That would be the first I've heard of such a problem. Quite the opposite, SE has shown a propensity for blanket bans on players who have high gil stocks regardless of whether they were involved with anyone accused of RMT activity.

So what is to prevent SE from looking at a fc's savings for an FC, trumping up the charges of an accusation, and robbing the whole FC's savings' blind?

[Mezolitik]

This is why the housing thing is such a farce.

It was made abundantly clear a few weeks back (with the blanket bans) that having lots of money will flag you up for investigation; now, SE has basically come out and said that having lots of money is mandatory for certain parts of the game - yet it sounds like anybody who attains such vast sums of gil is still gonna be viewed suspiciously.

It's so backwards.

[SinisterJoint]

So what is to prevent SE from looking at a fc's savings for an FC, trumping up the charges an accusation, and robbing the whole FC's savings' blind?

and they would benefit from this how? Really think about it, what would SE gain from taking your gil?? Nothing because they can make their own.. push a button BAM insta gil cap. Think first...

[Kallera]

and they would benefit from this how? Really think about it, what would SE gain from taking your gil?? Nothing because they can make their own.. push a button BAM insta gil cap. Think first...

It didn't stop them from taking away the Gil of various crafters that sold their wares on the AH. There is also the fact that SE making Gil isn't really related to their actions in taking Gil.

[Gamemako]

So what is to prevent SE from looking at a fc's savings for an FC, trumping up the charges an accusation, and robbing the whole FC's savings' blind?

What's to stop them from arbitrarily banning random players for the lulz? The better question is what would make them want to address player gil. I think it's clear how they're playing their hand with the earlier blanket ban and the Legacy housing pricing. They could be aiming for the same thing here, but I'm still pretty fuzzy on OP's claim of anyone in his FC having nearly the gil cap. I don't think he even has a Builder of the Realm in his FC at all, and I'm pretty sure the many wealthy crafters I know haven't said a thing about gil being taken.

It was made abundantly clear a few weeks back (with the blanket bans) that having lots of money will flag you up for investigation

It rather appears that none of those crafters were actually investigated. They were blanket-banned and gil confiscated without any investigation, and requests for a proper investigation (which would exonerate the player) were denied. It remains my assessment that the bans were not so much about RMT activity but about clearing some of the gil that trickled up from the dupe.

[PallasLloyd]

There's really no point to a currency system in this game when you just continually get penalized and action taken against you for having money. Just get rid of gil altogether.

[KyteStones]

for people who believe they bought all the gil...have any of you used google to search for gil prices? I just did. I don't think anyone would EVER drop $960.77 for 30 million gil (thats the highest I've seen the amount you could buy after looking at 2 links). There's no way to justify that purchase. Unless you make 3K a week at your job and youre in the 6 figures catalog in wealth, its just not feasible imo. Also don;t you people remember when "innocent" players had 25 to 35 mil from crafting items and selling in the AH that got their money stripped for no reason at all? I have 1.1 mil to my name, which is dwindling down helping out friends and FC membes get better gear to run the newer instances easier, but still. The most I had was 2.2 million until I bought my girlfriend 2 vanya pieces. You CAN play the market and get the gil, you just have to invest the time and effort in all the farming.

[Quiz]

for people who believe they bought all the gil...have any of you used google to search for gil prices? I just did. I don't think anyone would EVER drop $960.77 for 30 million gil (thats the highest I've seen the amount you could buy after looking at 2 links). There's no way to justify that purchase. Unless you make 3K a week at your job and youre in the 6 figures catalog in wealth, its just not feasible imo. Also don;t you people remember when "innocent" players had 25 to 35 mil from crafting items and selling in the AH that got their money stripped for no reason at all? I have 1.1 mil to my name, which is dwindling down helping out friends and FC membes get better gear to run the newer instances easier, but still. The most I had was 2.2 million until I bought my girlfriend 2 vanya pieces.

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