My question to all of the elitists

[MagusVandel]

If every group you join, you claim that everyone without full DL/Allagan and Zenith are undergeared for Garuda HM, I have just one simple question for you:

How did you do it, then?


Oh that's right. It's not that a gear level between 60-70 is too low. It's that since you've gained enough gear to become complacent about how you play, you've decided that it is beneath you to actually have a challenge like the first people who went through Garuda (HM).

I started playing when ARR went to beta 3. I stopped for 2 months, came back, and found that the entire endgame is comprised of people waiting to play and people who are saying those who are waiting to play are too gimped to play. To top off this obvious incorrect assumption, most of the elitists are complaining that the game is too easy.

I understand NCLB left many USA kids in need of serious critical thinking skills, but this one should be a no brainer: Help those who are looking for a leg up if you need a challenge. I'm not being a hippy about this; I'm killing two birds with one stone (hippies don't kill birds, except with their music).

Don't get me wrong, I heal just fine in groups and other than a few gear checks, my skill more than makes up for lack of stats. And I understand the DPS checks in something like Titan. But when I can't even get a group together, because people are too concerned that the game will actually require a strategy other than "just burn it down", I feel ashamed for the ffxiv community.

And I'm sure there are plenty of threads just like this one. My point of posting a new one is that the subject has become worse over the last few months.

[KyteStones]

From reading this I'll assume that you're sitting in RT seeing all the shouts for gear requirements for people farming that. Use the DF. If you're using the DF and someone is being a jackass and refusing to help/trying to make you leave/wiping you all on purpose to get people with better gear in, use the vote-kick system to get rid of said person making your game experience untolerable.

[PallasLloyd]

How did you do it, then?

I'm not even one of these people but: By starting my own party instead of whining that people way overgeared than I am won't carry me. Whoa what a concept.

Some people aren't looking for the "challenge" of carrying gimps through content and are more interested in farming as quickly as possible with no hiccups.

[Orophin]

Some people aren't looking for the "challenge" of carrying gimps through content and are more interested in farming as quickly as possible with no hiccups.

I don't think it's fair to call someone "gimp" when they meet the ilvl requirements to do the dungeon. Now if they're wearing a bunch of true garbage gear (like level 30 accessories at level 50) then that's another story. But if someone is in full AK gear with a Primal weapon and maybe some DL accessories, they're not gimp; they're just outgeared by everyone around them.

[Discordia]

I don't think it's fair to call someone "gimp" when they meet the ilvl requirements to do the dungeon. Now if they're wearing a bunch of true garbage gear (like level 30 accessories at level 50) then that's another story. But if someone is in full AK gear with a Primal weapon and maybe some DL accessories, they're not gimp; they're just outgeared by everyone around them.

This is correct. Unfortunately, I've seen too many players that, while they have their AF (aka welfare ilvl50), their other slots are usually populated with sub level 20 items or worse, in some cases, they don't even have a ring on. There's accessories you can get from the Grand Company as well.

[Lemuria]

This is correct. Unfortunately, I've seen too many players that, while they have their AF (aka welfare ilvl50), their other slots are usually populated with sub level 20 items or worse, in some cases, they don't even have a ring on. There's accessories you can get from the Grand Company as well.

Every time I see a level 50 combat class wearing GP earrings, or mages in strength gear, or melee's in INT gear... I die a little inside. Why do so many of these people exist, and who is carrying them through the dungeons? Stop... please, just educate these poor souls before they play in traffic or something.

That said, I do agree with the OP. There's far too many people who flat-out refuse to do HM primals with anyone not wielding a relic weapon. I guess they forgot that to get the relic, you need to beat them first.

[Fyreus]

This is correct. Unfortunately, I've seen too many players that, while they have their AF (aka welfare ilvl50), their other slots are usually populated with sub level 20 items or worse, in some cases, they don't even have a ring on. There's accessories you can get from the Grand Company as well.

You know... Logically speaking since you fight for AF and don't need others helping you to do so, wouldn't anything that's the opposite of that be deemed as welfare/handout gear? Anything earned socially could pretty much fall under the term 'Welfare Gear' especially chest/tome gear.

[Hanabira]

By welfare, she means that you didnt have to actually do anything for it other than hopping on a chocobo and running past some mobs. vs having to actually earn it (which is a foreign concept in this game)

[MagusVandel]

I'm not even one of these people but: By starting my own party instead of whining that people way overgeared than I am won't carry me. Whoa what a concept.

Didn't ask for them to carry me. If anything, I asked for them to stop joining groups that I made with the disclaimer that we didn't have "super omega gear +5 haxxors" and leaving over and over again. Don't trivialize the whole concept just because you cannot understand a basic point. K, thanks.(I felt I had to add that, since you added something extra to your post)


I guess I just don't see the point of being a jerk (ironic, considering my retort to Pallas). I regularly help out on Hydra and Chimera now. I also let people know what item level I'm at (for the record, 62; my weapon is a joke, thus wanting to continue the march towards better stuff). I have been personally using DF for just about everything, just because the people in RT on my server won't roll with anyone i80 or lower.

There are some people who will, I'm not saying they don't exist. But the overwhelming amount of people who are doing stuff like responding with bad gif art bring down the social level.

EDIT:
To that point, the reason my weapon is a joke is because finding a group to grab the higher primal weapons or relic is part of the problem that the OP was acknowledging.

[DeadRiser]

I've had my fair share of full af+1 and relic tanks that can't tank more than one mob, a healer who heals through cleric stance and can't heal more than the tank, and dps who sit in every AoE that mobs spawn.

Gear can only get you so far, where skill and timing is what makes a great player. I try to tell that to people when they are harsh on people with lower gear than them. But people will be ignorant no matter what.