remove or double time limit in duty finder!!

[Alhanelem]

You're confusing this with a slightly different issue... Party Finder and Duty Finder are 2 different features of the game. By using the Party Finder, OP would be creating a group before queuing up for a dungeon, meaning he would be the leader and well within TOS to kick who he sees fit between dungeon runs, and would not involve use of the Vote Kick feature at all.

Even with a preformed party, you can only vote kick once inside the instance.

The time limits are plenty long enough. If they are extended, that means more waiting to get into a duty. Once you know the dungeon, it shouldn't even take you half the time limit to beat most dungeons.

[Amyas]

You aren't entitled to join anyone's party. He can kick you for being lalafel if he wanted.

Okay, so you're saying I could start a PF group, get to the last boss then kick a player at random for funsies and that doesn't fall under abuse? For some reason I don't think the devs intended for only randos to be punishable for stuff like that.

EDIT: and isn't lead given to a random player once you get in a dungeon no matter what?

You're talking about vote kick, we're talking about the dungeon run failing, running out of time, and the leader kicking someone between queues...

Ah okay. (Understood.)

[Seig345]

Is there actual statement from the devs saying its okay to kick someone from a PF group just because you don't like the cut of their jib? If they're talking smack or something like that, sure I can understand, but just randomly kicking because gear or even if they aren't the best seems like it would be right up the abuse report alley.

The whole point of a pre-fab group would be to pick people you want in your party based on your own criteria. That's how that whole /shout spam thing works, Party Finder is just a refined version of the same system. You aren't obligated to stick with someone if you don't like them. The party belongs to the leader. Neither the leader nor the other party members should be forced to keep someone who's either intentionally wiping in dungeons or just doesn't seem to be able to cut it after so many runs.

While we aren't talking about kicking someone due to an unagreeable gib, that situation doesn't quite apply here since the unagreeable gib owner wouldn't be invited in the first place.

Okay, so you're saying I could start a PF group, get to the last boss then kick a player at random for funsies and that doesn't fall under abuse? For some reason I don't think the devs intended for only randos to be punishable for stuff like that.

You're talking about vote kick, we're talking about the dungeon run failing, running out of time, and the leader kicking someone between queues...

Edit: In fact, that's a non-issue within this topic because the OP simply wanted to be able to re-queue with the same team so the learning process doesn't have to start all over again, which more or less means allowing for some who take a little longer to learn.

[Sinth]

Okay, so you're saying I could start a PF group, get to the last boss then kick a player at random for funsies and that doesn't fall under abuse? For some reason I don't think the devs intended for only randos to be punishable for stuff like that.

Please show me where in the Terms of Service there are guidelines on when it is acceptable/unacceptable to kick a party member?

[Dale]

ive really had it up to here with finding a good df party only for the time limit to expire.

"Snipped due to silly character limits."

please remove it. this is bs....

I agree with you.

I've been asking for them to remove the time limit or significantly increase it for awhile now. So it's good to know I finally have someone on my side.

They are just way too strict and very unforgiving for people learning an instance. They also don't allow for emergencies or needing to replace a member who had to go. It also encourages the rushed atmosphere that can so unpleasant for players who like to watch cut scenes ect.

Other games do not have them. I don't understand why this one does.

[razzgrizz3]

Even with a preformed party, you can only vote kick once inside the instance.

The time limits are plenty long enough. If they are extended, that means more waiting to get into a duty. Once you know the dungeon, it shouldn't even take you half the time limit to beat most dungeons.

did u not read the post?
i said explaining it to new players and them geting used to mechanics eats up the whole time. jesus christ

also im not saying do that on all duties. but the hard one should definately be on longer timers. if youre gonna nerf it like you did amdapor im fine with reduced times tho.

[razzgrizz3]

Use Party Finder, kick people you don't like, try again.

what the hell ar you smoking? duty finder is cross server.
party finder is not used at all atm. and god knows when it will. might be months

[Alhanelem]

i said explaining it to new players and them geting used to mechanics eats up the whole time. jesus christ

It really shouldn't. No dungeon takes so much time to explain that you should need more time than is currently being given.

[Seig345]

what the hell ar you smoking? duty finder is cross server.
party finder is not used at all atm. and god knows when it will. might be months

Might be days, if you actually use it, instead of using the same mentality as non-voters during elections... Countless people all thinking that their 1 vote won't matter, not realizing that because they aren't the only one thinking that way, they're part of a large group that could have a massive effect on the outcome if they got off their butts and voted one way or the other.

then make it possible for the SAME team to queue again. surely that should be doable

It IS doable, and it's been done. Just because you want to dismiss it doesn't mean it isn't there... use /shout OR Party Finder if you have to, but the option you yourself asked for is already in the game.

[Johnist]

They are just way too strict and very unforgiving for people learning an instance. They also don't allow for emergencies or needing to replace a member who had to go. It also encourages the rushed atmosphere that can so unpleasant for players who like to watch cut scenes ect.

1) Expect the unexpected.
2) There is plenty of time to finish an instance on the first go-round if all party members are intelligent and capable of learning.
3) They give you enough time on the clock for 2-3 wipes per boss. If you haven't figured out the tricks during those 2-3 wipes, then obviously you're doing something wrong, or you fall into the italicized and underlined portion.
4) Content will just continue to get more difficult... deal with it.

I have lost instances due to the time limit. Temple of Qarn and Brayflox to name a couple. The time limit is not as generous as you are making out. And there is certainly not enough time given to replace members who had to go or deal with real life situations that might occur.

Also I should point out the time limit is so restrictive that it makes attempting to join a party in progress almost pointless, because nearly every time I have joined one it was a failure because of a lack of time. So not only is it punishing for people learning an instance or needing to deal with real-life emergencies, but it renders that game option worthless. So it doesn't even sync with the game design.

huh... Well, Qarn was massively overpowered for a Level 35 dungeon and has been weakened. The only time I've lost in Brayflox due to a Replacement was when the replacement was undergeared or the rest of the party was bad.... So Qarn (along with Cutters Cry and Aurum Vale) are 'Exceptions to the Rule' which proves the rule on the other ones.

I disagree with almost all of your points, and not just because of your smug tone.

You are just incorrect. I have seem instances with intelligent people capable of learning fail due to the time limit.

and at that point, it becomes a GEAR CHECK issue. Were they undergeared? Likely. Was their Gear broken? Maybe. Thank the Twelve for the AIL requirement for High Level Dungeons now... of course, that won't stop you from changing gearsets inside (probably) but it will prevent people from queuing up without proper gear and accessories.