Lustrate needs to be affected by healing debuffs

[Kyomih]

We only have 3 lustrates maximum every minute before we basically have nothing else at our disposal for that fight while WHMs just have to keep regens up at all times.

Not sure which situations you are referring to here but I don't understand your reasoning here and that sentence doesn't make any sense You mean in terms of instant casts? In no situation where you would have needed lustrate will regen do any difference or come in handy.

[Thriar]

The same reason why all abilities are adjusted. It feels out of tune with the rest of the game. I'm all for facerolling through healing debuffs on my scholar but in the long run it doesn't feel right.

You're gonna have a bad time when you run out of lustrates and you still haven't cleansed the debuff -_-.

[reality_check]

We only have 3 lustrates maximum every minute before we basically have nothing else at our disposal for that fight while WHMs just have to keep regens up at all times.

It's more like 6. If a smart scholar suspects an incoming healing debuff, they'll store their stacks and keep aetherflow off of cooldown. Taking the MP hit is a lot better than the whole raid wiping because the tank died.

[Thriar]

It's more like 6. If a smart scholar suspects an incoming healing debuff, they'll store their stacks and keep aetherflow off of cooldown. Taking the MP hit is a lot better than the whole raid wiping because the tank died.

A smart scholar will cleanse the heal debuff first then decide whether or not lustrate is necesary. What you just described(which is how most people play anyway) seems contrary to how you deal with heal debuffs.

[Kinseykinz]

So because of 1 instance you'd nerf one of the SCH's staple skills? PvP feels broken to me for healers in general so I'm not even going to comment on that.

hmmm Holy'd like a word with this logic.

That said: I agree with you. I think that SCH/WHM are fine as is...and I don't think that either one is 'screwed' in this battle over the other. I would say it's the team that can help/hurt and the healers skill in knowing what they can/can't do and what they can/can't keep up with. WHM's have to remember we have WAY more crowd control skills than SCH. And we really do have bigger heals. Benediction WILL heal the tank to full regardless of whether or not he has debuffs on him. Our own Medica II regen/regen stack...we can up their potency with DS...and heck, if for some reason you though you could throw away the chunk of MP, a well-timed holy will stun mobs far enough away from you in a circle you AND the party if close enough won't get hit for a couple seconds...

We need to STOP asking for nerfs in competing classes just because they may or may not have it easier on some content than we do. Because all it leads to, is creating less diversity amongst the classes/jobs. Now, if something is just totally unbeatable and/or if it is beyond obvious that one class is excelling in content where the other class keeps failing, then yes, adjustments need to be made...but that is NOT happening in here.

[reality_check]

You're gonna have a bad time when you run out of lustrates and you still haven't cleansed the debuff -_-.

Very few healing debuffs can be cleansed.

[Wilbow]

Eh. Divine Seal Cure 2 to remove a debuff that didn't get stunned is a lot more work than insta casting one lustrate.

If one Lustrate does the job, you obviously won't need Divine Seal. Or likely more than one Heal II. One GCD in both cases.

Cure 3 only works if your party miraculous decides to stack after they've spread out for the AoE.

They don't "spread out" so much as not make it to center in time. Since melee will be by the tank by default, that's likely 2 of 3 fixed up easily enough; you can then Cure II whomever remains, and it's not an auto-wipe if that ONE person gets mind controlled ONCE.

I can run and heal on scholar much easier than on white mage since I can continue to command my fairy to heal the tank white kiting the immobilizing adds.

With the knockback, I don't run as much. When I run, I use Regen. Obviously both jobs have their own perks here, almost as if (GASP!) SE intended it to be that way.

[reality_check]

A smart scholar will cleanse the heal debuff first then decide whether or not lustrate is necesary. What you just described(which is how most people play anyway) seems contrary to how you deal with heal debuffs.

Good luck with that mentality on turn 5.

[Thriar]

Very few healing debuffs can be cleansed.

I've been able to cleanse them all except for hydra ^^

[Thriar]

Good luck with that mentality on turn 5.

Lol turn 5 really? Spike damage = lustrate. If there is a debuff that needs to be cleansed, cleanse first. Not the samething dude. Keep to the issue at hand.