And so begins the Vote-kick abuse

[Xayoc]

Thank you for your input on the vote dismiss feature. The dev. team is currently discussing countermeasures against potential misuses of the system.

Additionally, as stated in the 2.1 patch notes, any abuse of the vote dismiss feature is considered harassment. We ask that users submit a GM report should you come across any situation where the vote dismiss feature is being misused.

Observation: No where is it mentioned that vote kicking for poor performance is against the rules.

Statement: Thank you Hvinire for the clarification.

[Alise]

Question. How do you know your roll number? I always think that it doesn't show up until the loot is decided that who get it.

[Inzoum]

Thank you for your input on the vote dismiss feature. The dev. team is currently discussing countermeasures against potential misuses of the system.

Additionally, as stated in the 2.1 patch notes, any abuse of the vote dismiss feature is considered harassment. We ask that users submit a GM report should you come across any situation where the vote dismiss feature is being misused.

Another situation where Vote Kick is misused is when people use it to kick out a consenting player in order to avoid suffering penalty when agreeing to end prematurely a failing instance run. Can't we have a "vote to abandon instance" option for this instead? Choosing to abandon an instance in Duty Finder has always been a problem for cases when everyone agrees this is the best course of action, someone always has to take the bullet. The vote-kick workaround is a really poor solution as it implies falsely accusing someone of harassment or other unpleasant things to carry out.

[DoubleT]

i'd like to point out that if SE sets it up so that vote kick cant be done after chests popped or rolling takes place, it will open the door for people to vote kick you after a boss is killed but before a chest is even popped to still increase the chances of only their crew getting said loot. So, maybe set it up that after a major boss is killed vote kick cannot be used at all, an in the case of mid-bosses like in CT or any regular dungeon, vote kick cant be used until after 5-10 mins of everyone using the shortcut to continue to next area of said dungeon, or possibly after all loot has been distributed.

[ispano]

Observation: No where is it mentioned that vote kicking for poor performance is against the rules.

Statement: Thank you Hvinire for the clarification.

No where in the list of choices is it stated you are allowed to either. Abuse can easily be seen as any use that doesn't fit the listed choices. You're basically trying to say that because it's not explicitly disallowed, that it's 100% ok. I can do the same and say that because it's not explicitly allowed, ie not in the choices for kick, it's 100% not ok.

Both aren't prefect arguments, but one has more grounds than the other.

[MStowastiqVahlshdeh]

I dunno, perhaps I am naive in saying this but if they voted to kick him based on his roll so they could collect the loot he would have won, that means other[s], at least more than half of the people in the party had to conspire and add their vote too? I wonder what they chose as a reason for dismissal.

See red highlights below for what I am referring to.
The rules for vote dismiss, from the patch notes:

The Vote Dismiss function has been added.

Players who are absent for extended periods or harass others can now be democratically expelled from the party.



To initiate a vote, first select Party Members from the Social section of the main menu. Next, select the party member you wish to nominate for dismissal, then Vote Dismiss from the submenu. When vote dismiss is initiated, party members will be prompted for their response. If more than half vote Yes, the player in question will be dismissed from the party.

* 4 hours must elapse since your last successful use of vote dismiss before you can initiate another. (revised 12/18/2013)
* You will be required to select a reason for dismissal. Please be warned that unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act.
* Please wait at least five minutes before using Vote Dismiss on a player who has logged out.

[HEC]

Another example of (semi-)abuse of the vote kick feature - I've seen lately MANY entries in the Party Finder with comment like "Kick after first fail / wipe" - that's first of all VERY annoying and discouraging and I'd never join such group and it's also IMHO missuse of the feature as you're being "pre-emptivelly" harrased / threatened.

Question. How do you know your roll number? I always think that it doesn't show up until the loot is decided that who get it.

As already mentioned a few times here - it's overlays your roll number over the item(s) in the loot window - just re-open it to check if you've not managed to read the number initially.

[Sygmaelle]

Kinda begin to be pissed off about people that don't let newcomers learn a fight and immediately leave after dyin a 2nd or 3rd time in primals EX.

All they ask is to get kicked because they don't have any patience, it really need to get banned pretty seriously, it's really, really ridiculous.

[KoujiGeki]

Kinda begin to be pissed off about people that don't let newcomers learn a fight and immediately leave after dyin a 2nd or 3rd time in primals EX.

All they ask is to get kicked because they don't have any patience, it really need to get banned pretty seriously, it's really, really ridiculous.

ya but what about when you explain something 4 times and they still dont listen like doing CM todays and the DDs would just refuse to use the damn cannons and during boss fight wouldnt use the cannons and try to fight the chick on the armor themselves and dont pull the adds to the damn center and wipe 3 times i think its justified.

[TomTom1968]

Another abuse of the vote kick system I have seen is that players who think they are exceptional and shouldn't be in a group that fails once ask the group to be kicked so they get around the DF lockout for leaving the instance. I for once never vote them out and love when they get mad about it lol.

For me it is just no reason. U wanna leave because you feel superior to the group and can't be arsed to be in a group with lesser experience that needs several attempts? Don't do DF roulette but use the Party finder. But don't expect to be able to disband the group without getting any penalties like it is the most normal thing in the World.