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    Just because you can hold aggro spamming flash doesn't mean you should

    I've seen some recent thread stating that paladins can now hold aggro spamming flash, and don't need to tab target anymore.

    Let's be clear, if you can hold aggro with cycling your RoH combo and don't have to resort to flash spamming, then that's what you should be doing. For the simple reason, flash generates 0 DPS. Not to mention the RoH debuff that you want on multiple mobs like the 2 dreads in T4. Flash spamming should only be an option when there are too many mobs to cycle. And then flash situationally to blind or get quick aggro (i.e. opening a fight)

    On a related note, for those people also saying RoH spamming is now boring, then my argument is, stop spamming it, and throw in other abilities that maximize your dps.

    Look at it this way:

    FB (150) -> SB 200 -> RoH (260)

    The average per GCD is 203.3 potency

    Then you have Shield Swipe (210)

    And you can add Fracture (220), 100 + 120 over 18s

    EDIT: Mistyped meant "Fracture" not "Mercy Stroke"
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    Last edited by caspergrey; 12-19-2013 at 03:05 AM.

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    Both Fracture and Shield Swipe have a higher Potency per global cooldown. I wasn't using fracture before because it was a TP drain and added no enmity modifier (maintaining enmity was more precious), and I had to watch aggro when using Shield Swipe for the same reason (too many procs and your threat goes way down. Didn't really use till I had a solid threat lead, or to conserve TP). This gives me more liberty to play around with those and have them more heavily in my rotation.

    That being said, I believe this threat increase actually gives you more flexibility to challenge the way you play, rather than making it boring. And if all you're doing is spamming flash and complaining that it's too easy, you're right, that is easy and boring, but it's also not the best way to play the paladin class.
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    Last edited by caspergrey; 12-19-2013 at 03:14 AM.

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    I haven't gotten to play since the patch, but I know pre patch I had to spam flash to keep agro from all the relic+1 people in the party with my GC sword. Hopefully now, from what I've read, I can actually play instead of hitting one button.
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    What ability are you on about when you say Mercy Stroke? MS is the MRD cross-class skill that can be used under 20% and its free and OCD. I presumed you were on about Circle of Scorn from the potency, but then again this is also free and OCD so I guess not.

    Presuming shield swipe is up (which isn't all the time) then it's a slight dps gain over RoH combo, but it's really rather negligible and like you said, maintaining RoH debuff is more important.

    Flash spam is boring. RoH spam is boring. But that's PLDs ideal move set depending on whether you want ST or MT threat. There's no getting around trying to make PLDs rotation exciting. It isn't.

    EDIT: Not to say that PLD isn't a fun class or that there's no challenge to it, just it's rotation isn't one of those. A certain challenge/stress comes from just being a tank.
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    Last edited by DarpaChief; 12-18-2013 at 08:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarpaChief View Post
    What ability are you on about when you say Mercy Stroke? MS is the MRD cross-class skill that can be used under 20% and its free and OCD.

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    There's no getting around trying to make PLDs rotation exciting. It isn't.

    EDIT: Not to say that PLD isn't a fun class or that there's no challenge to it, just it's rotation isn't one of those. A certain challenge/stress comes from just being a tank.
    Sorry, meant Fracture, not Mercy Stroke, fixed it. My point was, you have more opportunity to throw those in with the increased enmity buff. It's not so much an argument that tanking isn't boring (people will have their opinions), but I think it's no less boring than it was before, and if you were fine with enmity in 2.0, try throwing in Mercy Stroke, or using shield swipe more cause of the little extra buffer SE gave you. Both do more DPS than the average of your RoH combo over 3 GCDs.
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