Enmity no longer an issue.

[Sunah]

We need some connection between the people playing, which was what enmity meters gave us. Holding back on damage to not grab aggro, catching on when you can AoE, when you can't, when you can just focus on one mob because the other party members are attacking that one...
All those little things that made you feel like you're playing with other people with different play styles and skills.

The thing about this is.... DPS does not and WILL not care about the meters. YES some good players out there will hold back. But the majority of players will go balls to the wall as son as a shield lob goes out. This is just common fact and the increase in enmity is a well deserved change.

[Gamemako]

Except for the fact if a tank isn't as geared as say the healer or dps, the tank can ONLY manage to hold on to threat (and by that I mean barely) by doing the enmity combo over and over, having to ignore other combos that may give out buffs and debuffs
That's not good game design

That's not true. WAR max enmity generation is SE/BB/BB anyway; there was no reason to every drop Maim from your rolls. I could hold aggro on ilvl90 MNK and SMN at the same time while wearing ilvl55 gear. Gearing just made everything fluff. I can see adjusting it upward slightly to account especially for the need for Storm's Path, but it seems that this is a bit overboard.

The thing about this is.... DPS does not and WILL not care about the meters. YES some good players out there will hold back. But the majority of players will go balls to the wall as son as a shield lob goes out.

It's the tank's job to make that possible, and any tank could manage in 2.0. Only exception is when the tank needs to move the opponent from the starting point, and that's something an enmity boost won't help because the tank isn't attacking for the duration.

[Parodine]

Shield Oath got quite the enmity boost since I tanked a dungeon today and didn't have a problem holding most groups with just 2 flashes.

[SpookyGhost]

The problem is that paladin has nothing to do other than enmity generation, at least warrior has other things they can do once they have established hate. Paladins? ZZZzzzzZZ... It's an incredibly boring class I must say.

Yeah, this is the main problem I think. This opens up a lot of wiggle room for WAR to actually DPS, to work in a bunch of different things, but all PLD can do is A -> B -> C. To be fair, that's all PLD could do before too, though. :P

[Ri_ri]

The thing about this is.... DPS does not and WILL not care about the meters. YES some good players out there will hold back. But the majority of players will go balls to the wall as son as a shield lob goes out. This is just common fact and the increase in enmity is a well deserved change.

I've not had any problems with it. Most people don't like monsters hitting them.

DDs already have very light shoulders, I don't see benefit of making it even easier for them.

I can understand it being hard on white mages, but just lower some enmity from their heals, then. No need to make a huge part of group playing almost ignorable.

[Xatsh]

Sorry, but if a healer can easily steal aggro with a tank doing nothing but their +enmity combo with a +1 relic, something is wrong. I never complained about it, but that's a fact.

I 100% disagree with this, It should be a team thing to control enmity. It should not be tank only and everyone else can go all out 100% of the time.

[indira]

i still get hate when im not even doing anything

[Giantbane]

Yeah, this is the main problem I think. This opens up a lot of wiggle room for WAR to actually DPS, to work in a bunch of different things, but all PLD can do is A -> B -> C. To be fair, that's all PLD could do before too, though. :P

But you had wiggle room as a WAR before. Open up with smart usage of Unchained and Berserk stacked and you could push yourself far ahead to mix in different abilities. If DPS can't stay on the target the whole time (dodging and what not), you got more wiggle room. The key, and the fun part was knowing when you had it and how effectively to use it.

But now it's just ... there. Open with Unchained and Berserk and I may as well stick to my non-threat combos since they do all the buffs. I barely even have to bother trying to generate threat, it just happens.

It seemed like a great balance before, maybe they needed a little tweak to allow WAR to switch to BB->BB->SP from BB->BB->SE and have it generate the same amount of threat (since it does about 10% less damage), but they've gone way too far and took away an interesting and fun part of the game (enmity management).

[lebirath]

hmmm.. i did sirious (couldnt compleyed though, we were all new and wanted to figured out.. was fun but couldnt figured out the second boss before time ran out) and i didnt noticed this, at sm point the emity was yellow and i had to stop.
i will agree with someone above, i like playing together c the tank watching my hate, though no always work.
havent notice any issue yet, but havent play enough to noticed

[Doo]

PLD is pretty boring to play especially in basic fights like Titan HM. I prefer to do things on my whm.