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    Ri_ri's Avatar
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    Kaguya Houraisan
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 61

    Enmity no longer an issue.

    I've tried stealing enmity as white mage, simply couldn't... Divine Seal, Regen, Medica II, Medica, I AoE healed all I wanted in trials without the bar even becoming yellow.

    Am I the only one disappointed with this?
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    Foxi Lady
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    Adamantoise
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    As a WHM main I havent tried this out yet but would have to say its a huge improvement. A main healer who is forced to wear cloth armour should not have to spend all the time under agro attack. If they had given us a mechanic such as if we threw in some auto attacks it reduced the agro it would have worked.
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    Kaguya Houraisan
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxiLady View Post
    As a WHM main I havent tried this out yet but would have to say its a huge improvement. A main healer who is forced to wear cloth armour should not have to spend all the time under agro attack. If they had given us a mechanic such as if we threw in some auto attacks it reduced the agro it would have worked.
    You see... that's what made healing as white mage interesting to me. I had to work together with the tank, and manage my enmity as I AoE healed, using Shroud in emergencies.

    It was an annoyance, but a very satisfying one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    Would you rather go back to a shortage of tanks?
    I think this has more to do with how simple paladins are, while warriors are complex but not as desired.

    To be honest, I'd rather go on a shortage of tanks than what we're having now. As a paladin player myself, I hate it being even more simpler than now.
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    Last edited by Ri_ri; 12-18-2013 at 09:26 AM.

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    AdamuKun322's Avatar
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    Sinon Everglade
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    Ultros
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    I did notice this in Ultima Weapon battle. The main tank and me were trying to get hate, but Ultima just remained on him. Of course after a couple of provokes, flashes, and shield lobs I managed to get it' hate.
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    Tantum Hice
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    Balmung
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    Alchemist Lv 47
    I have been testing this as well and found that I am quite able to take hate whenever I want to. It takes a little more effort to actually get full hate but I like that. Means I can DPS more and throw out more heals to those who need it.

    Happy with the changes to enmity.
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    Player IfritReborn's Avatar
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    Kevvy Alexandros
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    Gilgamesh
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ri_ri View Post
    I've tried stealing enmity as white mage, simply couldn't... Divine Seal, Regen, Medica II, Medica, I AoE healed all I wanted in trials without the bar even becoming yellow.

    Am I the only one disappointed with this?
    Except for the fact if a tank isn't as geared as say the healer or dps, the tank can ONLY manage to hold on to threat (and by that I mean barely) by doing the enmity combo over and over, having to ignore other combos that may give out buffs and debuffs
    That's not good game design
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    Last edited by IfritReborn; 12-18-2013 at 09:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IfritReborn View Post
    Except for the fact if a tank isn't as geared as say the healer or dps, the tank can ONLY manage to hold on to threat (and by that I mean barely) by doing the enmity combo over and over, having to ignore other combos that may give out buffs and debuffs
    That's not good game design
    Bad design is forcing people with level 55 weapons play the same dungeon as people with relics. Having people watching their damage/over healing is good design.

    We need some connection between the people playing, which was what enmity meters gave us. Holding back on damage to not grab aggro, catching on when you can AoE, when you can't, when you can just focus on one mob because the other party members are attacking that one...
    All those little things that made you feel like you're playing with other people with different play styles and skills.

    Now? Just AoE everything. Almost like.... WoW.
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    Last edited by Ri_ri; 12-18-2013 at 09:47 AM.

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    myahele's Avatar
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    Tonrak Totorak
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    I haven't tried it out yet, but I am glad that enmity generation for whm is reduced. Maybe other players aren't experiencing this.

    It makes it easier to keep the party topped of without generating hate.
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    Cyrus-Wallace's Avatar
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    Character
    Lucille Wallace
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    Siren
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    Paladin Lv 90
    I managed to keep emnity with a broken Curtana (0% condition) at Pharos Sirius today. I see it as an improvement, but... tanks now will be more lazy and less reactive. As a tank, I enjoyed the possilibity of losing my emnity. It kept me focusing on multiple targets, pay attention to my party's member actions and the whole environment. That intensive moment when your Bard is at 1 hit of stealing your emnity, he doesn't care, because he's a DPS (JK) and there's a small line called GCD, those 2.5 seconds between keeping the monster's emnity or losing it against the Bard. Those damn seconds were an eternity.

    On a side note: On my server, there was never a shortage of tanks. Tanks leveled up and there was little (or none) motivation for going back to previous dungeons. I see a lot of tanks everyday, since I started to play to now.
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    Zahra Dubs
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 50
    The problem is that paladin has nothing to do other than enmity generation, at least warrior has other things they can do once they have established hate. Paladins? ZZZzzzzZZ... It's an incredibly boring class I must say.
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