Butcher's Block... worthless.

[ZDamned]

Perhaps we should start getting angry about Fresh 50 Tanks not being able to take hits in Coil next?

The whole "Fresh 50" argument is silly to me... in what world does a pebble being tossed at a giant cause more concern to the Giant than a boulder being Catapulted at him?

A fresh 50 is very much level 45 from gear, and at best, lets assume they spend Gil, level 50 from gear.
A seasoned 50 is at the very least level 70 from gear, Main class your looking at probably level 84-90.

Why does anyone here feel that s a level 45 tank should be able to hold threat over a level 84 Damage dealer?
This should be impossible if the Damage Dealer is doing everything they can.

Also, a Fresh 50 should not be playing with season'd 50's in the same content!
Can they? Of course! But what is the challenge in that? A Fresh 50, based on this mentality is never going to play the same game of discovery and skill that we played from the start.
It's one thing to find out the strategy from someone who has fought something before, but it's a totally different thing to have someone carried through a fight because they just hit level 50, and suddenly everything is melting in front of them due to the full iLvl 90 DPS squad with them.

Honestly, since it's so mindlessly easy, Enmity should just not be calculated. "If Tank, then Always attack" might as well be programmed into the enemies now like in City of Heroes. (Which was a game designed for casual role players with no equipment system at all for quite a long time.)

[Calib0s]

Also, a Fresh 50 should not be playing with season'd 50's in the same content!

Duty finder. You are going to have groups with very disparate gear sets through no fault of their own. I don't think it's fun for a new tank to stand no chance to hold threat against their teammates, nor is it very fun for geared DPS to have to constantly hold back on what is for them trivial content.

I'd also argue that maintaining threat isn't really the interesting part of being a tank, and assuming equal gear essentially nothing has meaningfully changed from 2.0 anyway. I can't think of a fight where any tank with half a brain was in danger of losing threat to DPS.

[ZDamned]

Duty finder. You are going to have groups with very disparate gear sets through no fault of their own. I don't think it's fun for a new tank to stand no chance to hold threat against their teammates, nor is it very fun for geared DPS to have to constantly hold back on what is for them trivial content.

Using that Logic, all equipment in the game should be ilvl 50, because we all have to play together due to the Duty Finder.

[Calib0s]

Using that Logic, all equipment in the game should be ilvl 50, because we all have to play together due to the Duty Finder.

Aside from the fact that this doesn't logically follow at all, how about for all of the content outside of Duty Finder that this change realistically doesn't affect?

Fixed that for you. =P

Holding threat in 2.0 required 0 skill.

[OmegaSinX]

I'd also argue that maintaining threat isn't really the interesting part of being a tank

^ This. This is pretty much what I've been saying. Although it plays a role in tanking, no one cares about how much threat you can hold unless they keep pulling aggro off the tank. A good tank should be judged by the decisions he/she makes not the threat bar because thats the standard. What sets good tanks apart is How well they know the fight, How he/she approach the encounter, How they use their CDs, How alert they are, How good do they predict massive pain ?If you were doing what you should have been doing b4, Tanking should not be any more boring than it was . If anything it opens up more options to maximize efficiency.


If they didnt make this change, history would repeat itself once they raise level cap because everyone doesnt level at the same speed. Heck, im sure there are still people who havent finished the main story yet....