Butcher's Block... worthless.

[Leiron]

That is a false arguemnt.
More enmity means more breathing room, means you can do more that you weren't able to in the past.
BB>BB>SE.
That was ALL a WAR ever did for Enmity.
You never had a choice in the past, so to even suggest there was a choice in the first place is false.

Secondly, BBs till has a purpose. You are still using it for maintaining enmity, so it still has its place.

Literally nothing changed.
So the complaints don't have any basis to them.

"Tanking is boring now"
It wasn't boring before?

[Giantbane]

No, Leiron, it's just too easy now. That makes it more boring than it was before as you've got one less thing that requires paying any attention to.

[Delorean]

No, Leiron, it's just too easy now. That makes it more boring than it was before as you've got one less thing that requires paying any attention to.

so.... just use a crappy weapon?

[Leiron]

No, Leiron, it's just too easy now. That makes it more boring than it was before as you've got one less thing that requires paying any attention to.

Except its not any different now.
In the past, you lose agro, you can't fight to get it back.
If a DPS was ripping agro off of you, there were two problems.

1. Outgeared
2. You didn't use your coodlowns/combo properly.

To the first, you couldn't do anything about it. The only thing that could be done to resolve the problem was for the DPS to stop attacking period.
There was nothing in your hands about it. There was no "let me pop a taunt to regain a chunk of threat."
There was no skill in volved.
No choice or anything.

Nothing has changed at all.
The only thing that changed was the fact the current available tools became more powerful.

Now?

Its the same deal, the only difference is there is more enmity so its harder for DPS to rip.
It isn't ANY different than before because your tools have not changed, the only thing that changed was the effectiveness.
Tanks dont have burst threat in this game.
They don't have a proper taunt.

Literally NOTHING changed, so I fail to see why anyone is up in arms when you should never have beenlosing agro in the first place, and you probably never was in danger of losing agro anyway.
You're literally complaining about something that never existed to begin with, which was agro management.
You either did your BB combo and constantly maintained threat, or you...did nothing.


Honestly think about it, even if they left threat alone, would you be playing any differently than now?
No.
Of course not.
Tanks never HAD a choice about how much enmity they generated. They could NEVER reduce the enmity of anyone else either.


tlR

Before the buff: Good tanks didn't lose agro.
After the buff: Good tanks still don't lose agro.

End result? Nothing changed.
Really guys, get over it.

[Deadly_M1st]

Before the buff: Good tanks didn't lose agro.
After the buff: Good tanks still don't lose agro.

End result? Nothing changed.
Really guys, get over it.

I would have to agree. While I am new to FF14 I am a long time MMO vet. If you are using your skill sets and rotations correctly even with out a buff like this you should be able to hold threat. It's just that easy. It is the tank way of life.

[ZDamned]

Before the buff: Good tanks didn't lose agro.
After the buff: BAD tanks don't lose agro.

End result? Skill requirement changed.

Fixed that for you. =P

[AppleGrocer]

Fixed that for you. =P

I hate to disagree with you ZDamned, but honestly, how "good" of tank did you really have to be in 2.0 to not lose agro?

Good tanks weave OGCD abilities in their rotation to maximize DPS. Good tanks pick up adds quickly and efficiently. Good tanks keep the appropriate buffs/debuffs up at all times. Good tanks know when to pop a CD. Good tanks know how to position a mob correctly.

Bad tanks did none of these things in 2.0, and they still don't in 2.1

Holding agro has never, ever been the designated skill factor for tank

[ZDamned]

If this is true, then why do we even have abilities that specifically generate enmity?

[AppleGrocer]

If this is true, then why do we even have abilities that specifically generate enmity?

Because DPS and healers scale better than us and our foundational role in a group as a tank is to... you know... tank the mobs.

It's like a house. Every house needs a solid foundation, but you don't say "Wow, that is an awesome house"because that foundation is solid. It's just the bare minimum needed for structural integrity. It's not really anything to be proud of, what you build on that minimum requirement is what separates a good house from a bad house, and a great house from a good one. A house with a bad foundation is barely a house at all; and if it is, it's not for very long.

[Leiron]

Fixed that for you. =P

In order to be a bad tank, you would have to not know BASIC gameplay.
There is nothing skillful about using the same combo over and over and over.
In the case of WAR, 2 combos.

If you honestly believe this changes the required skill level at all, then you've never done anything more complicated in an MMO.