Everyone stop it... Players and Staff.

[Huxer]

I don't need you to moderate my opinions, you are welcome to yours, I'm going to keep stating mine. I'm pissed off about the housing because it should have never been gil in the first place it should be FC credits IMO. SE says, nope to bad its gil. Okay. SE says, btw the cottage is a little bigger than your inn room. I say, forget that. SE says the mid sized will cost you 16 mil, make your guys farm the money over the next three months. I say wheres the unsub button.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Fallacy: False Dichotomy. Either we have to be MMO designers, or can't complain. Reality: I don't need to be a bus driver to know that driving a bus in the lane with oncoming traffic is bad, and similarly, I don't need to be an MMO designer to know that pricing content beyond the reach of players to hide the fact that your servers can't keep up is also bad.

Asking people to make constructive suggestions, to keep criticism focused on the work and not the person, and so on is one thing. Telling people that they don't have a right to complain on the official forum of a product, the main avenue for communication between developers and the customers, is another. You won't stop people doing it, because this is exactly where they should be complaining. Using a common fallacy to try and shame people into stopping is just bad form.

Please try harder, and work toward constructive contributions to this community.

Their are many problems with this statement. First of all, bad and good are opinions and not fact. Period. So going back to your analogy: Your analogy does not compare like to like. You are absolutely right that you don't have to be a bus driver to know that a bus shouldn't be in the left hand lane, at least anywhere outside of a handful of countries. But that has nothing to do with bad or good, it has to do with right or wrong. One is against the law, the other is just your opinion. And while you don't have to be a bus driver to know a bus doesn't belong in the left hand lane, you DO have to get a specialized license to drive a commercial vehicle like a semi-truck in the United States and if you don't have that license their is a good chance that you don't know what the best practices are for driving a shipment from Texas to Illinois.

So your analogy is flawed. It is easy to see a car in the wrong lane and say, "Maybe that is not the best idea." But that is a long way off from making the assumption that "pricing content beyond the reach of players to hide the fact that your servers can't keep up is also bad." which is based on 0 facts (like which side of the road SHOULD be driven on) and is predominantly made up of your own opinion or the opinions of others you have read which makes good and bad subjective that is entirely different than your example.

[Shadowtrek]

....Are you guys really arguing about how to argue?

[PapesseLudovique]

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and yet here you are, validating them and responding. Just because you take criticism personally, doesn't make them invalid. The criticism isn't for you! Yet here you are, acting like it does.

and yet again, you are clueless to the issue. So you just make up whatever makes us look worse, to make you feel better. We're angry because we thought that this heavily hyped noncombat feature, which was implied to be for everyone, would be priced logically. Instead we got a system that's built entirely around Square-Enix's cheapness and incompetence.

Cheapness in that they wouldn't buy housing servers.
Incompetence that let the RMT and economy get out of control, and couldn't come up with a better solution.

Again, our problem is with a product we pay for.
Yours is, that your ego gets bruised, when people say bad things ABOUT A GAME YOU LIKE.
You are the very epitome of your own argument.

and thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for proving my point with every square-inch of your comment.

[PapesseLudovique]

I love you.

Thank you! I appreciate that.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Instead we got a system that's built entirely around Square-Enix's cheapness and incompetence.

Cheapness in that they wouldn't buy housing servers.
Incompetence that let the RMT and economy get out of control, and couldn't come up with a better solution.

This is the problem with threads like these. These are not constructive criticisms of the game, they are all out insults and they are why the more level headed community is continually frustrated with the general forums all together.

[darkstarpoet1]

the op is the perfect example of the type of people that se added an ignore button for. they come in, give nothing constructive, insult the players of a game because they don't agree with them, and go as far as to call out the staff itself.

[Xikaz]

We're angry because we thought that this heavily hyped noncombat feature, which was implied to be for everyone, would be priced logically.


and thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for proving my point with every square-inch of your comment.

You use a lot of pompous language to make absolutely no point at all. Who are you to say the price on the housing is illogical? Do you have access to the economic data on each server? Or are you just using anecdotal evidence?

[Lingarn]

First of all, bad and good are opinions and not fact. etc.

I can have knowledge of the best shipping practices without having the ability to act on that knowledge, and this is why the dichotomy is false. The ability to do is not the same as the ability to judge the quality of a thing done. Moreover, my opinion may be inexpert, but feedback about whether or not this change makes the game better or worse doesn't need to be expert.

As to my specific use of "bad": Housing prices are high because the servers can't handle enough housing to meet demand. That has infuriated people. Furious people are less likely to keep giving you money. I would call that a "bad" business practice, on the assumption that their business model is based on getting money from people. My language may be imprecise, but my point is sound.

[PapesseLudovique]

This is the problem with threads like these. These are not constructive criticisms of the game, they are all out insults and they are why the more level headed community is continually frustrated with the general forums all together.

Congratulations on cherry picking whatever part of my post served you most, and discarding the rest. Criticism does not have to be constructive. Criticism is criticism.

A "level headed" person wouldn't defend a company without objectivity or question. No, what you want isn't "level headed", what you want is "apologetic", you want light, kid glove covered, mealy criticism.
Argue my point if you must, but your commentary on how I deliver it, is irrelevant. It was the truth. We're paying for their problem. Just like Diablo 3 players suffered because of Blizzard's problems with RMT.