Everyone stop it... Players and Staff.

[PapesseLudovique]

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and yet here you are, validating them and responding. Just because you take criticism personally, doesn't make them invalid. The criticism isn't for you! Yet here you are, acting like it does.

and yet again, you are clueless to the issue. So you just make up whatever makes us look worse, to make you feel better. We're angry because we thought that this heavily hyped noncombat feature, which was implied to be for everyone, would be priced logically. Instead we got a system that's built entirely around Square-Enix's cheapness and incompetence.

Cheapness in that they wouldn't buy housing servers.
Incompetence that let the RMT and economy get out of control, and couldn't come up with a better solution.

Again, our problem is with a product we pay for.
Yours is, that your ego gets bruised, when people say bad things ABOUT A GAME YOU LIKE.
You are the very epitome of your own argument.

and thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for proving my point with every square-inch of your comment.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Instead we got a system that's built entirely around Square-Enix's cheapness and incompetence.

Cheapness in that they wouldn't buy housing servers.
Incompetence that let the RMT and economy get out of control, and couldn't come up with a better solution.

This is the problem with threads like these. These are not constructive criticisms of the game, they are all out insults and they are why the more level headed community is continually frustrated with the general forums all together.

[PapesseLudovique]

This is the problem with threads like these. These are not constructive criticisms of the game, they are all out insults and they are why the more level headed community is continually frustrated with the general forums all together.

Congratulations on cherry picking whatever part of my post served you most, and discarding the rest. Criticism does not have to be constructive. Criticism is criticism.

A "level headed" person wouldn't defend a company without objectivity or question. No, what you want isn't "level headed", what you want is "apologetic", you want light, kid glove covered, mealy criticism.
Argue my point if you must, but your commentary on how I deliver it, is irrelevant. It was the truth. We're paying for their problem. Just like Diablo 3 players suffered because of Blizzard's problems with RMT.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Congratulations on cherry picking whatever part of my post served you most, and discarding the rest. Criticism does not have to be constructive. Criticism is criticism.

A "level headed" person wouldn't defend a company without objectivity or question. No, what you want isn't "level headed", what you want is "apologetic", you want light, kid glove covered, mealy criticism.
Argue my point if you must, but your commentary on how I deliver it, is irrelevant. It was the truth. We're paying for their problem. Just like Diablo 3 players suffered because of Blizzard's problems with RMT.

What I want is people who have a base level of logic and reason and not a herd-mentality "X person says this sucks so I agree and this is the reason because I was told it was" 'criticism'.

Yoshi's own words prove me right. There isn't enough server space. Or is that too anecdotal?

No not anecdotal, just plain wrong.

Our fundamental stance toward housing prices was that we wanted to ensure that plots would be evenly distributed, avoiding a situation in which the wealthiest players could easily buy up all available plots of land. Please understand that while we will be adding servers and expanding housing areas as soon as we can, it is simply physically impossible for us to accomplish this easily, in a matter of one or two weeks.

If the initial price of land was easily within the means of wealthy players, one can envision all available plots of land being snatched up immediately, leaving other players—even those possessing the necessary gil—unable to purchase land for an extended period of time. Seeking to avoid this, we made the difficult decision to go forward with the pricing scheme we presented, aware that many players would be unable to afford housing for a while.

The quoted section is above. This doesn't mean there isn't ENOUGH server space, it means there is a limit to which wealthy players could abuse the system if it was not maintained from the beginning.

[PapesseLudovique]

What I want is people who have a base level of logic and reason and not a herd-mentality "X person says this sucks so I agree and this is the reason because I was told it was" 'criticism'.



No not anecdotal, just plain wrong.

Except that's not what is being done here. I wasn't told anything sucks. I decided that it sucks. You making up imaginary, motivation for my opinions is irrelevant. Mindlessly defending the game is the ultimate herd mentally. I don't see you calling out people who defend based on the same motivation.

So you're calling Yoshi a liar? Who isn't being level headed now?
Are you going to talk the time to correct me? Or just say I'm wrong? How am I wrong? How is YoshiP wrong?

[PapesseLudovique]

The quoted section is above. This doesn't mean there isn't ENOUGH server space, it means there is a limit to which wealthy players could abuse the system if it was not maintained from the beginning.

Right, and what do we have right now? A situation where only the wealthiest FC's can afford the housing!
If they made instanced housing, it would not be an issue. If they had separate housing servers like so many other games, then the problem of imaginary rich players buying up the property too quick wouldn't exist.

But here's the thing, making the prices too high ensures that most plots will remain vacant, taunting the player base and going unused. It also ensures that the rich are still the only FCs that will own them. and assuming that an FC would actually buy up all the plots for themselves is insane.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Right, and what do we have right now? A situation where only the wealthiest FC's can afford the housing!
If they made instanced housing, it would not be an issue. If they had separate housing servers like so many other games, then the problem of imaginary rich players buying up the property too quick wouldn't exist.

But here's the thing, making the prices too high ensures that most plots will remain vacant, taunting the player base and going unused. It also ensures that the rich are still the only FCs that will own them. and assuming that an FC would actually buy up all the plots for themselves is insane.

All opinions. And you obviously underestimate a player base that was happily selling Titan wins at 500k for a win for players that didn't have the patience to complete it on their own. If someone CAN afford to buy 10 plots of land to cause a scarcity of resources, someone WILL buy 10 plots of land. Fundamental economic principle at work.

[PapesseLudovique]

All opinions. And you obviously underestimate a player base that was happily selling Titan wins at 500k for a win for players that didn't have the patience to complete it on their own. If someone CAN afford to buy 10 plots of land to cause a scarcity of resources, someone WILL buy 10 plots of land. Fundamental economic principle at work.

The indication of a bad argument, is the declaration of opinions. Considering you're spouting your own, it seems kind of moot.
Also by creating individual servers, or instanced housing, you'd have avoided the entire possibility.

You also have to question why anyone would waste their money on identicle plots, just because they can.
I'll tell you, it never happened on LOTRO, Rift, or SWG.

So here's an easy solution, limit plots to one per FC. How hard is that? An FC only needs one, so why even let them buy more if you're afraid they'll buy them all?

[Xikaz]

We're angry because we thought that this heavily hyped noncombat feature, which was implied to be for everyone, would be priced logically.


and thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for proving my point with every square-inch of your comment.

You use a lot of pompous language to make absolutely no point at all. Who are you to say the price on the housing is illogical? Do you have access to the economic data on each server? Or are you just using anecdotal evidence?

[Lingarn]

You use a lot of pompous language to make absolutely no point at all. Who are you to say the price on the housing is illogical? Do you have access to the economic data on each server? Or are you just using anecdotal evidence?

Yoshi's post admits that the reason prices are high is because there isn't enough server capacity to meet demand. Economic data, RMT, etc. are excuses to cover the fact that it will take them months to get enough server capacity up.