Everyone stop it... Players and Staff.

[Lingarn]

Everyone is saying this and that should be changed but I do not see a single one of you out designing your own game, creating MMO's are hard and a lot of work, some things just don't work out to your liking but you got to learn to deal with it!!

Fallacy: False Dichotomy. Either we have to be MMO designers, or can't complain. Reality: I don't need to be a bus driver to know that driving a bus in the lane with oncoming traffic is bad, and similarly, I don't need to be an MMO designer to know that pricing content beyond the reach of players to hide the fact that your servers can't keep up is also bad.

Asking people to make constructive suggestions, to keep criticism focused on the work and not the person, and so on is one thing. Telling people that they don't have a right to complain on the official forum of a product, the main avenue for communication between developers and the customers, is another. You won't stop people doing it, because this is exactly where they should be complaining. Using a common fallacy to try and shame people into stopping is just bad form.

Please try harder, and work toward constructive contributions to this community.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Fallacy: False Dichotomy. Either we have to be MMO designers, or can't complain. Reality: I don't need to be a bus driver to know that driving a bus in the lane with oncoming traffic is bad, and similarly, I don't need to be an MMO designer to know that pricing content beyond the reach of players to hide the fact that your servers can't keep up is also bad.

Asking people to make constructive suggestions, to keep criticism focused on the work and not the person, and so on is one thing. Telling people that they don't have a right to complain on the official forum of a product, the main avenue for communication between developers and the customers, is another. You won't stop people doing it, because this is exactly where they should be complaining. Using a common fallacy to try and shame people into stopping is just bad form.

Please try harder, and work toward constructive contributions to this community.

Their are many problems with this statement. First of all, bad and good are opinions and not fact. Period. So going back to your analogy: Your analogy does not compare like to like. You are absolutely right that you don't have to be a bus driver to know that a bus shouldn't be in the left hand lane, at least anywhere outside of a handful of countries. But that has nothing to do with bad or good, it has to do with right or wrong. One is against the law, the other is just your opinion. And while you don't have to be a bus driver to know a bus doesn't belong in the left hand lane, you DO have to get a specialized license to drive a commercial vehicle like a semi-truck in the United States and if you don't have that license their is a good chance that you don't know what the best practices are for driving a shipment from Texas to Illinois.

So your analogy is flawed. It is easy to see a car in the wrong lane and say, "Maybe that is not the best idea." But that is a long way off from making the assumption that "pricing content beyond the reach of players to hide the fact that your servers can't keep up is also bad." which is based on 0 facts (like which side of the road SHOULD be driven on) and is predominantly made up of your own opinion or the opinions of others you have read which makes good and bad subjective that is entirely different than your example.

[Lingarn]

First of all, bad and good are opinions and not fact. etc.

I can have knowledge of the best shipping practices without having the ability to act on that knowledge, and this is why the dichotomy is false. The ability to do is not the same as the ability to judge the quality of a thing done. Moreover, my opinion may be inexpert, but feedback about whether or not this change makes the game better or worse doesn't need to be expert.

As to my specific use of "bad": Housing prices are high because the servers can't handle enough housing to meet demand. That has infuriated people. Furious people are less likely to keep giving you money. I would call that a "bad" business practice, on the assumption that their business model is based on getting money from people. My language may be imprecise, but my point is sound.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

I can have knowledge of the best shipping practices without having the ability to act on that knowledge, and this is why the dichotomy is false. The ability to do is not the same as the ability to judge the quality of a thing done. Moreover, my opinion may be inexpert, but feedback about whether or not this change makes the game better or worse doesn't need to be expert.

As to my specific use of "bad": Housing prices are high because the servers can't handle enough housing to meet demand. That has infuriated people. Furious people are less likely to keep giving you money. I would call that a "bad" business practice, on the assumption that their business model is based on getting money from people. My language may be imprecise, but my point is sound.

Indeed you can have that knowledge if you have access to a source to do the necessary research on it. In this case, you don't. You make an assumption based on ignorance (I'm not using this word as an insult, but you are ignorant to the capabilities of the company as we all are because we don't have access to that information) and on your bias that you are unhappy about housing prices and form in into the inexpert opinion that "SE jacked up the prices because they don't have enough server space" by taking information that was provided and twisting it to fit your opinion.

[Lingarn]

You make an assumption based on ignorance ...and on your bias that you are unhappy about housing prices and form in into the inexpert opinion that "SE jacked up the prices because they don't have enough server space" by taking information that was provided and twisting it to fit your opinion.

No interpretation required. They have so few houses available that the wealthy of each server would be able to buy them all if they were priced in a range where most FCs could afford them, so they raised the prices beyond what the wealthy can afford. The prices will go down over time, as they add more server space. Even by their estimates, 20% of FCs won't be able to afford a house in 3 months.

That is exactly what Yoshi said. Don't call me ignorant because you dislike the reality of the situation.

[whilke]

No interpretation required. They have so few houses available that the wealthy of each server would be able to buy them all if they were priced in a range where most FCs could afford them, so they raised the prices beyond what the wealthy can afford. The prices will go down over time, as they add more server space. Even by their estimates, 20% of FCs won't be able to afford a house in 3 months.

That is exactly what Yoshi said. Don't call me ignorant because you dislike the reality of the situation.

This isn't real land. This is instanced content, how do you not have enough *available* plots? How cheap are they with their server hardware?

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

No interpretation required. They have so few houses available that the wealthy of each server would be able to buy them all if they were priced in a range where most FCs could afford them, so they raised the prices beyond what the wealthy can afford. The prices will go down over time, as they add more server space. Even by their estimates, 20% of FCs won't be able to afford a house in 3 months.

That is exactly what Yoshi said. Don't call me ignorant because you dislike the reality of the situation.

You can interpret it however you want but it is still just your interpretation. There is a set limit, but we have no idea what that limit is so to say that there isn't enough space is just you assumption of the information that was presented. There could be space for 1,000 houses and still 10 wealthy players could effectively buy out all the plots if the prices at the level they are on non-legacy servers but I wouldn't consider 1,000 houses to be a low number by any means.

Except that's not what is being done here. I wasn't told anything sucks. I decided that it sucks. You making up imaginary, motivation for my opinions is irrelevant. Mindlessly defending the game is the ultimate herd mentally. I don't see you calling out people who defend based on the same motivation.

So you're calling Yoshi a liar? Who isn't being level headed now?
Are you going to talk the time to correct me? Or just say I'm wrong? How am I wrong? How is YoshiP wrong?

See my above response.

[PallasLloyd]

You can interpret it however you want but it is still just your interpretation.

Yeah but his interpretation makes sense whereas yours doesn't.

the wealthiest players could easily buy up all available plots of land

People who have money could afford to buy the plots of land. That in and of itself should not be a problem because it's how buying things works. If you can afford it you should be able to buy it.

If we take this to mean a FEW wealthiest players (wealthiest FCs) could easily buy up all available plots of land so that the unique player to plot ownership distribution was not 1:1 that COULD be considered abuse. But, there is an extremely simple fix for that which involves just restricting one plot per FC leader. Since that explanation is too simple and too mind-boggling as to why they would not or could not implement such a restriction, most of us are giving YoshiP and the dev team the benefit of the doubt in this case (believe it or not), and interpreting that statement as:

"There are more FCs that would be able to afford housing than we could physically provide or handle" assuming the unique player to plot ownership distribution IS 1:1.

It's an assumption, yes. But it's the only explanation that makes any sense if we take for granted that these developers have any degree of competence, which I'm willing to grant them. Not as much as you would expect considering they demand 15 bucks a month for this, but not absolutely none.