Commendations?

[Pinworms]

I'm not really digging the commendation system. It seems like everyone I speak to (not in my party) is tossing the commendation to the healers and tanks. I had one person I spoke to blatantly say he will not commend a dps - and he was a dps... The system should be more of a "you get a commendation regardless on completion unless player votes a no to you then you don't get one from that person".

This would still hand out commendations to all when people leave without voting, and is more fair over time. Basically it's reverse of what it is now. If your mean or w/e players vote "no". You get a "no" then no medal from that person.

Everyone gets rewarded for doing their job and being nice. The better you do you job the more you get because you won't get a "no". The cap per dungeon stays the same. Win win.

[Simaril]

As whm I received 7 in just a few runs.

One run I recieved 3!!! The tank was bad, so I ended up tanking quite a bit, and sort of "ran the group" knowing I couldn't fix the tank.
The next run I received none. The group was totally smooth, everyone knew what to do without talking. It was one of those totally silent yet completely effortless groups. I'm guessing everyone awarded the tank.
The next four groups I was more vocal and proactive, typing in the strategy very briefly, and being friendly, and each group gave me one

Anytime the tank kept things moving switly without chaos I awarded him. I awarded the DPS who had the sense to heal me when the tank couldn't hold aggro. I also awarded a dps who somehow was always second on the threat list, and also killing the adds, flipping the switch, grabbing the items, staying out of trouble, etc.


A good tank seems like a shoe in. If the tank is bad, someone else usually steps up. I haven't seen many bad healers, but the ones who CC, DPS, and manage the group are amazing. I simply haven't had as many groups where a DPS really makes the difference (2 out of 6 so far).

[Kako0404]

If you're a healer and tank you naturally can distinguish yourselves. For DPS', I would say start telling jokes or sth haha.

[RaineMagus]

I'm not really digging the commendation system. It seems like everyone I speak to (not in my party) is tossing the commendation to the healers and tanks. I had one person I spoke to blatantly say he will not commend a dps - and he was a dps... The system should be more of a "you get a commendation regardless on completion unless player votes a no to you then you don't get one from that person".

This would still hand out commendations to all when people leave without voting, and is more fair over time. Basically it's reverse of what it is now. If your mean or w/e players vote "no". You get a "no" then no medal from that person.

Everyone gets rewarded for doing their job and being nice. The better you do you job the more you get because you won't get a "no". The cap per dungeon stays the same. Win win.

As things currently stand, commendations are meaningful only in that they're a limited resource (people get to allocate one per run).

Each "nice" person tends to hand out their commendation every dungeon run (unless they forget), even if the party as a whole didn't do anything exceptional. If we could hand them out to everyone, then very likely most people would do so [there's already forum posts asking for the ability to commend more than one person]. Like it or not, the ability to choose just only one player forces even the most kind-hearted person to pick someone on a criteria (rather than everyone, even if their criteria is just 'random').

--While it may seem disappointing that you don't receive a commendation, I don't think the purpose of the system was for you to receive one without performing your role exceptionally well. If everyone gets a medal, every run, then commendations are no different a resource than tomes.


Far as "doing your job", this is pretty much the reason why Tanks and Healers get commendations easier.

-A tank's PRIMARY (note emphasis) role is to keep threat glued to them.
-A healer's is to keep everyone alive.
-A DPS's is to do as much damage as humanly possible.

From the above assumption, it's actually very understandable that a tank or healer receives the commendation over a DPS .. as over-tanking or over-healing doesn't NECESSARILY (note emphasis) result in a *better* performance (as long as nobody dies). On the otherhand .... There is no damage cap to where doing more damage doesn't speed up completion time.


I give DPS's a commendation all the time, but only if they're pushing 95%+ DPS potential [have a near perfect rotation / use their skills extremely well for their gear level] -- or if they show signs of improvement during the run. (or .. say, they do very well for someone new to their job, or the first time playing that instance)

If you want commendations, you need to liquify the enemies. DPS's, especially those having played multiple jobs, know whether or not the other DPS is playing up to par.

[Archona]

If you want to farm Commendations just have 8 people click the guildhest Duty Roulette. Chances are you'll get 4 people together who can commend each other, since they didn't queue together.

[Aluith]

As a DPS I find I don't get many commendations, even when I am clearly carrying a bad DPS or casting sleeps to help out with low gear tanks / healers. When I am giving mine out I tend to favor the other DPS in group just because I know they probably don't get any either, if they were bad and I carried them I just give it to tank / healer.

The commendations I do have came from groups where we agreed to circle vote so everybody gets one.

[synaesthetic]

I always queue as scholar when queuing alone for the reduced queue times. I generally get commendations when my group is not so good and I have to do a lot more obvious work to keep everyone alive. When the group is all very well geared and knows the fights cold, I find that I get the commendations less often, which makes sense.

As a healer I usually give my commendations based on what happened in the run. If the tank never let any trash beat on me and kept aggro really well I'll give it to them. If one of the DPS manages to avoid all or most of the avoidable AE damage in a fight (while still doing lots of damage) I'll commend them.

[Mikedizzy]

I try and pay attention to what goes down and do it as fairly as possible to the "Best" Player on that run....I have given many to healers and tanks...it is hard to stand out as a DPS unless you are doing something or doing a particular fight that takes a "special" ability or something. I have only gotten 4 so far and appreciate them but it is all very subjective in the end.

[TouchandFeel]

I have given commendations to dps, healers, and tanks.
For me, it really all depends on how each person in the party does their job and whether they perform well in the dungeon.
If everyone performs exceptionally, at that point it goes to who was the most polite or was the most useful in party chat by providing strats or stuff like that.

My biggest problem is that people tend to just leave immediately and not even stick around long enough to receive commendations, let alone give them.
It has been so bad that I have gotten in the habit of reminding people to please do commendations before leaving.

[Hiroradius]

I go in as DPS. I hand them out as

Tank gets it if he/she is willing to listen to suggestions when needed and actually tank the boss away from the healer/dps.
Healer get's it if things were a little crazy and he/she kept his/her cool and kept everyone alive.
DPS gets it if the tank/healer don't do anything to me that warrants it.

I also though will give it to someone who actually admits this is their first time in the dungeon, or they don't know the fight and ask for tips. If someone is willing to do that, to me they deserve it because they are trying their best to make sure they don't fail for the group.