Summoner's Job Evolution

[Akiza]

According to the story and lore we can't be overpowered and corrupted by the Primals since we have the light of Hydaelyn. Even though we are only one Summoner tapping into more energy to summon Primals that are twice the size of the player wouldn't break game lore since they are not as large and powerful as the Primals summoned by the Beast Tribes. Also the size and detail of the Primals has nothing to do with it's power considering Hard Modes and Extreme Modes and Square already broke lore rules when they had Lightning summon Odin during the Wonder and Lightning Fate.

[Ryuko]

I wouldn't take anything that happened involving Lightning seriously -- in either FFXIII or FFXIV lore. She specifically says, "I probably won't remember any of this, so please remember for me" (or something to that effect). Her appearance is just fan service and I really rolled my eyes that they would mention FFXIV lore at all. I'm fine with her randomly appearing for some promotional FATE, but mixing her up in this game lore was a bad idea.

We do have the light of Hydaelyn, but Hydaelyn is not infinite, as you will discover in the Praetorium storyline. At one point she(?) says she is exhausted and can't help anymore; you're on your own to end it. You do, thankfully, but that whole situation displays that even the light of the crystal can't absolutely save you. If it could, adventurers wouldn't be needed in the first place. As summoners grow in power, so too do their Egis. Remember the main antagonist you fight in the storyline? His Egis are larger, and he has more powers. You somehow miraculously defeat him, but he is a prime example of summoner power = Egi size/definition.

As far as the detail/size... this was merely an interpretation by me, but something I think is very real now that I've seen footage of the Titan extreme fight. If you've seen the video, you'll notice that Titan's brothers/pets/minions are the same model as YOUR Egi, except much large and slightly more defined. They aren't the BRIGHT yellow pure Earth elementals like your Egi, but rather a darker rocky color like Titan himself. They also have more defined abilities. They look more like lifelike entities instead of purified elements.

But you might be saying... "Hey! Garuda's sisters have always looked just like her and they still do!" You are right. I think this was an error on the dev team's end, because the 'sister' mechanic of Garuda has been around since she was first released in 1.0 -- except it was actually slightly different (they had different vulnerabilities). I imagine that summoner wasn't even in the works at that point, so it was not thought about when they used the same model for her sisters/minions.

[KiiNGKRUSH]

That's nonsense, explain the Avatars in FFXI? The fact that people can be in a hundred Magitek armors proves othwise. SE simply choose to have Egi look the way they look. Mind you I'm fine with and actually like them but I wouldn't mind a slight size increase.

[OmegaNovaios]

It is my hope that with a level cap increase will also come a more powerful (larger?) version of the Egis to reflect our growing strength. This will not happen for a while, though.

I would much rather get new summons such as Leviathan, Ramuh, and Shiva for level cap increases to be more versatile, but it would be fine if there was a trait that increased pet effectiveness with a bonus of increased of scale change.

[ChainedMouse]

You know, I thought the same what with the size of the summons.. but honestly, after seeing them, making them larger would get in the way of game mechanics. People who click on their targets instead of using the keyboard would have to reposition their camera and such like crazy if the summons were too large, though maybe a tad larger would be neat.

Not to mention, making them larger would make their ranges silly, and increasing the range to be proportionate would be too much.

Would be neat if there were spells that involved a summoned creature, beast, etc who then performed an aoe or targeted attack and then went on cooldown.. kinda like the classic summons from the older games, appearing for their attack and disappearing. Though, that idea would be a complete change to the class that will more than likely never happen.


EDIT: Oh, and for the record, don't bother going "Oh, you are only lvl 29 arcanist, not even a summoner yet" I've seen summoners running around, so... still have an idea about that particular point.

[Xolotl]

I think they should remove the Egi idea, why giving us Lowered primals ? Give us High Elemental/Holy Spirits and Beasts instead !!!

Leave the Primals to the beast tribes, they're like Racial Deities in FFTA, they shouldn't be able to be summoned by a summoner, the FC summoning one is a good idea though.

But give us full entities like Carbuncle is, it's not like there's not enough summons that exists through all the FF series !

Why not giving us let's say, cerberus as a fire pet ? Ixion as a lightning one ? Valefor as wind, and so on...

Those summons would be a less powerful "life-form" than the primals, but would still make us feel like summoners, because they would be complete, detailed, and maybe as big as a mount can be ? We don't need it to be bigger than the current mount !

We all know it's not a graphical/technical restriction, when we see the amounts of Magitek armor wandering everywhere...

I think they should tweak the lore a bit, and give the summoner real summons, we don't need the formal Ifrit/Shiva/Ramuh/Titan etc. summons, they have so many that they could give us instead !

[Akiza]

I think they should remove the Egi idea, why giving us Lowered primals ? Give us High Elemental/Holy Spirits and Beasts instead !!!

Why not giving us let's say, cerberus as a fire pet ? Ixion as a lightning one ? Valefor as wind, and so


I think they should tweak the lore a bit, and give the summoner real summons, we don't need the formal Ifrit/Shiva/Ramuh/Titan etc. summons, they have so many that they could give us instead !

They wouldn't give us High Elementals like Carbuncle because that's what the Egi's are right now and High Spirits like Cerberus, Ixion and Valefor are equivalent to the Primals in other Final Fantasy titles except they are the smaller version of the Primals so either way Square would make it so as your Summoner grows in power you Egi's would become a smaller version of the Primals.

[Deifact]

Lore wise, whats to stop theoretically a bunch of summoners getting together and summoning a larger Egi or something similiar to a Primal? I thought Primals came into existance via a combination of Aether and concentrated "worship" or sorts, so why can Beastmen do it and not Summoners? I guess what I am getting at is, say if you have two summoners in a party, why can't they combine their powers to summon a larger primal being?

[pandabearcat]

My only hope is once I reach level 100, and my egi can oneshot the level 50 primals, that I get to get that primal.

Its only fair.

Or rather a "fragment" of their power is many times stronger than the primal itself.

Unless we are fighting the same 3 goddamn primals our entire lives.

They'll run out of adjectives soon.

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[Aphrini]

Just play the game, have fun, and have faith that things can only get better later on.

I am normally a bubbly optimist however this last patch has crushed my little Lallafell soul ; ;. If SE keeps driving the NERFMOBILE as hard as they are against my two main jobs WHM and SMN by the time they reach the lvl 100 cap I will be lucky if I am not one shotted by Lady bugs...