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    Player Akiza's Avatar
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    Rhel Eryut
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    Summoner's Job Evolution

    Summoner's should summon something higher than the Egi's for there job evolution because right they only summon Final Fantasy XIV's versions of Elemental Spirits. The evolution of the Egi's would be similar to the Espers in Final Fantasy XII they would be twice the size of the player with all their corresponding Primals abilities.
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    Ryuko Kanzeon
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    This topic has been beaten to death.

    As for a short answer on why things are the way they are: the game's lore explains it in detail, both in the Summoner's storyline and within the main quest.

    A lot of players disagree with the way summoners work, but you cannot deny that with the lore of THIS game... it makes sense.

    We simply aren't strong enough to control an Egi larger than the one we have without becoming corrupted. It is my hope that with a level cap increase will also come a more powerful (larger?) version of the Egis to reflect our growing strength. This will not happen for a while, though.
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    I'm sorry, but the game's "lore" is a poor excuse for why summons are the size of lalafells.
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    There's nothing wrong with the way summons look at the present. It's not unlikely that they'll get better with future patches and expansions, as we gain higher levels and more abilities. Just play the game, have fun, and have faith that things can only get better later on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spellbinder View Post
    I'm sorry, but the game's "lore" is a poor excuse for why summons are the size of lalafells.
    I am sorry but lol haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seobit View Post
    It's not unlikely that they'll get better with future patches and expansions, as we gain higher levels and more abilities.
    According to the developers, it's very unlikely, as they've stated they have no intentions of making Egi any bigger. It took them years to improve Summoner in Final Fantasy 11. I'm not going to hold my breath and hope against hope they'll make changes on their own here. I don't know about you, but the idea of chibi-Leviathan, chibi-Shiva, and chibi-Fenrir who are all overshadowed by chibi-Garuda's Contagion, gathering dust on the shelf does not sound interesting to me.

    That's why I started the feedback threads in the English and Japanese forums.
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    They don't need to make them bigger to make them look more fierce and detailed.
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    ps3 limitations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seobit View Post
    They don't need to make them bigger to make them look more fierce and detailed.
    Open-world enemies didn't need to be bigger either, but that didn't stop the developers from making them larger in patch 1.16 in March 2011 due to player disfaction. Having said that, size isn't really the main point I was trying to make in my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spellbinder View Post
    I'm sorry, but the game's "lore" is a poor excuse for why summons are the size of lalafells.
    You may not agree with it, but it makes sense in the game's lore. Again.

    Egis are made from the same source as Primals, but they are not made from the Primals. It's like their creation is tapped from the same energy.

    The beastmen call upon that energy to create the Primals, and because they have been collecting power and revering them, the primals have grown to have a mind of their own. They have grown large, incredibly detailed, and cannot be controlled. They are like gods that are given power through the people who believe in them. It is why the 'primals grow stronger when the beastmen are upset'.

    A summoner is just one person. We tap upon that same energy, and what we come up with is an Egi that is much smaller and not as defined as the larger primal. It looks more like energy than a living being. In your storyline quests, you quell the Egi that has been created from this energy to make it your own. You need to conquer it to control it. According to the lore, you would not be able to handle anything more without it corrupting you (like the primals corrupt the beastmen) or overpowering you (like the primals have a mind of their own)... which is why I say it may change in the future, but it is not how it is going to be for now. The Egi must be weak enough to obey your every command.

    I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't like. You can tell me you don't agree with it -- but it makes sense. If you want to argue that the game's lore should be changed and the current summoner is not summoner enough, then that is another story.
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    Last edited by Ryuko; 12-17-2013 at 01:03 PM.

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