Auto attack: A complete battle system

[Motoyuki]

Uhm currently I'm killing as many NM as I can, none of us is spamming anything (not even the healers...) and we managed to kill the Great Buffalo (roaming one) in 7 minutes... do i have to say anything else?

You don't have to say anything else. Thats your style of play and what your doing currently is up to you. I'm not hating or anything. I've been playing since early December, not as long as most but what can I do? Currently, for most of the DoW (Pugilist, Lancer, even Marauder) Its honestly just a spam fest. Spam includes everything from attacking to skills. Theres no planning, barely any strategy involved from fight to fight. I'm supporting the auto attack function myself cause not only will there be more time to use skills and type (for those who don't use vent or any other form of voice chat) its the only way to form strategies and speak to teammates. Can't exactly do that if your attacking (DoT is as important as any Spike damage) at the moment. If we want this game to have a deep and fulfilling battle system, spamming of the light attack has to go. I'm not saying everyone does spam, but I'd say a good 80% does; which pretty much negates having all those interesting abilities. IMHO, Auto-attack will bring out the best in this battle system.

[Alcide]

You don't have to say anything else. Thats your style of play and what your doing currently is up to you. I'm not hating or anything. I've been playing since early December, not as long as most but what can I do? Currently, for most of the DoW (Pugilist, Lancer, even Marauder) Its honestly just a spam fest. Spam includes everything from attacking to skills. Theres no planning, barely any strategy involved from fight to fight. I'm supporting the auto attack function myself cause not only will there be more time to use skills and type (for those who don't use vent or any other form of voice chat) its the only way to form strategies and speak to teammates. Can't exactly do that if your attacking (DoT is as important as any Spike damage) at the moment. If we want this game to have a deep and fulfilling battle system, spamming of the light attack has to go. I'm not saying everyone does spam, but I'd say a good 80% does; which pretty much negates having all those interesting abilities. IMHO, Auto-attack will bring out the best in this battle system.

You're forgetting this part

"EDIT: oh and talking about guildleves, right now I'm ranking up archer, usually my pattern is hit multishot x2, hawk's eye, raging strike, normal attack x1, ferocity, weapon skill. Usually the mob is dead at this point, is it spammy? do you think i'm not doing my job? "

This is about archer, but my main is lancer and i playid a bit of thaumaturge too, i've never spammed anything with any of these classes unless, i've always had a good time while grinding/doing leves and i've socialized with many people.

The point is this battle system allows you to get to r50 spamming normal attacks, but it's just your choice and if you do it you're not giving your best and definitely you're not playing your class as it's supposed to be.
You can't blame the devs if you decide to play in the most boring way.

[Motoyuki]

You're forgetting this part

"EDIT: oh and talking about guildleves, right now I'm ranking up archer, usually my pattern is hit multishot x2, hawk's eye, raging strike, normal attack x1, ferocity, weapon skill. Usually the mob is dead at this point, is it spammy? do you think i'm not doing my job? "

This is about archer, but my main is lancer and i playid a bit of thaumaturge too, i've never spammed anything with any of these classes unless, i've always had a good time while grinding/doing leves and i've socialized with many people.

The point is this battle system allows you to get to r50 spamming normal attacks, but it's just your choice and if you do it you're not giving your best and definitely you're not playing your class as it's supposed to be.
You can't blame the devs if you decide to play in the most boring way.

I didn't forget about any part. The part your wrote about your Archer has nothing to do about my post. I stated 3 classes that are notorious for spamming. Archer wasn't included. Honestly, I don't care about your achievements. I'm stating the general population of FFXIV. Think outside the box and maybe you'll see where the people that want auto-attack is coming from. As for, this is my last post here. I'm not going to argue with someone who can only see something from his point of view.

[Alcide]

I didn't forget about any part. The part your wrote about your Archer has nothing to do about my post. I stated 3 classes that are notorious for spamming. Archer wasn't included. Honestly, I don't care about your achievements. I'm stating the general population of FFXIV. Think outside the box and maybe you'll see where the people that want auto-attack is coming from. As for, this is my last post here. I'm not going to argue with someone who can only see something from his point of view.

o.O

Obviousely I wasn't showing off my achievements, i couldn't care less, I was just showing an exemple of how the battle system is not spammy and as I said, my main is lancer (wich you have mentioned) and i've never spammed at all, but i won't show you my lancer pattern because you wouldn't care.

By the way I'm not seeing everything from my point of view, but from those of everyone that's still playing and enjoyng the game, coz everyone i know in game is absolutely against auto attack, so as I've said before, those that want auto attack are playing little/just started playing/quitted after rank 10 so no, I really can't see the game from their point of view, I don't want to and couldn't care less coz you're trying to change something you know nothing about.

[Vanguard319]

I didn't forget about any part. The part your wrote about your Archer has nothing to do about my post. I stated 3 classes that are notorious for spamming. Archer wasn't included. Honestly, I don't care about your achievements. I'm stating the general population of FFXIV. Think outside the box and maybe you'll see where the people that want auto-attack is coming from. As for, this is my last post here. I'm not going to argue with someone who can only see something from his point of view.

You mentioned Marauder, I've been leveling that one recently, I almost never spam light attack, instead I take full advantage of the job's AoEs and steadfast, often fighting multiple mobs like the job was intended. You mentioned Pugilist, I have an r24 pgl, with that job, I alternate between light strike and heavy strike, and use pummel on occasion, the only skill I tend to spam is haymaker (yes, you read correctly, I spam the conditional ws) since I tend to evade most attacks. Finally you mention Lancer, I have a r25 Lnc, for that one I alternate between light and heavy thrust, using feint whenever I miss. If something links, I will position myself accordingly and use Pierce to hit both mobs at once. In parties I will use skills like Comrade-in-arms and life surge to support my party and increase damage through more accurate attacks and increased TP gain.

You have stated that these three jobs are notorious for just spamming thier default attacks, but it sounds like you know very little about actually playing any of them.

[pool842]

You're forgetting this part

"EDIT: oh and talking about guildleves, right now I'm ranking up archer, usually my pattern is hit multishot x2, hawk's eye, raging strike, normal attack x1, ferocity, weapon skill. Usually the mob is dead at this point, is it spammy? do you think i'm not doing my job? "

This is about archer, but my main is lancer and i playid a bit of thaumaturge too, i've never spammed anything with any of these classes unless, i've always had a good time while grinding/doing leves and i've socialized with many people.

The point is this battle system allows you to get to r50 spamming normal attacks, but it's just your choice and if you do it you're not giving your best and definitely you're not playing your class as it's supposed to be.
You can't blame the devs if you decide to play in the most boring way.

so everyone on this post do me a favor equip a bow and spam attack keeping in mind the actual time it takes for each arrow to shoot and hit he enemy... now start a stop watch and use raging strike then eagle eye then pucture 2 or barrage..... the time is 90% the same dps wise so spamming attack just about does the same as waiting for 2 buffs and a special to go off. SOOOOO there FOR THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS SPAMMYYY. god.... reading these forums with no evidence behind what anybody says is just ridiculas....

[MariyaShidou]

so everyone on this post do me a favor equip a bow and spam attack keeping in mind the actual time it takes for each arrow to shoot and hit he enemy... now start a stop watch and use raging strike then eagle eye then pucture 2 or barrage..... the time is 90% the same dps wise so spamming attack just about does the same as waiting for 2 buffs and a special to go off. SOOOOO there FOR THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS SPAMMYYY. god.... reading these forums with no evidence behind what anybody says is just ridiculas....

You haven't played ARC. Who the heck would want to Raging Strike and Hawk's Eye on Puncture 2? Multishot/Trifurcate + RS + HE = 6 times the damage of a normal shot, or 9 times if they all crit. This goes to show how ridiculous your post is.

[Vanguard319]

You don't have to say anything else. Thats your style of play and what your doing currently is up to you. I'm not hating or anything. I've been playing since early December, not as long as most but what can I do? Currently, for most of the DoW (Pugilist, Lancer, even Marauder) Its honestly just a spam fest. Spam includes everything from attacking to skills. Theres no planning, barely any strategy involved from fight to fight. I'm supporting the auto attack function myself cause not only will there be more time to use skills and type (for those who don't use vent or any other form of voice chat) its the only way to form strategies and speak to teammates. Can't exactly do that if your attacking (DoT is as important as any Spike damage) at the moment. If we want this game to have a deep and fulfilling battle system, spamming of the light attack has to go. I'm not saying everyone does spam, but I'd say a good 80% does; which pretty much negates having all those interesting abilities. IMHO, Auto-attack will bring out the best in this battle system.

Then in your own words, there is no need for auto attack. Think of the job's default attack as equivalent to the fight command in previous FF games. You are also stating that auto attack will increase tactical flexibility, but in reality, it will not work at all in regards to certain jobs (archer being the most obvious), in addition, when the computer is doing the fighting for you, how is that bringing out the best in a battle system? I'd much rather decide what attack I'm going to use rather than let the game decide for me. Sorry, but it sounds to me like you're promoting a battle system that requires a person to do as little actual thinking as possible.

[kukurumei]

Then in your own words, there is no need for auto attack. Think of the job's default attack as equivalent to the fight command in previous FF games. You are also stating that auto attack will increase tactical flexibility, but in reality, it will not work at all in regards to certain jobs (archer being the most obvious), in addition, when the computer is doing the fighting for you, how is that bringing out the best in a battle system? I'd much rather decide what attack I'm going to use rather than let the game decide for me. Sorry, but it sounds to me like you're promoting a battle system that requires a person to do as little actual thinking as possible.

Gee you just well...slapped every MMO in near history...with "as little thinking as possible".

I won't say more, especially when FF11 has subscribers and FF14 doesn't. (As well with the archer not usable) Seems no one ever head of attack speed and weapon skills from your point of view.

[Alcide]

Gee you just well...slapped every MMO in near history...with "as little thinking as possible".

I won't say more, especially when FF11 has subscribers and FF14 doesn't. (As well with the archer not usable) Seems no one ever head of attack speed and weapon skills from your point of view.

Can we please stop comparing FF14 to any other mmo? it's clearely useless since the gameplay is totally different, ff11 in particular.

in FF11 it took ages to fill the TP bar so without an auto attack feature it would be something unplayable, in ff14 it's much faster and you have lots of TP buffing abilities, so it takes 3 hit to fill your TP bar with a normal attack, only 1 hit if you're using Multyshot as archer or Pierce as lancer on a lot of mobs, you also have Syphon TP so you can use WS as a mage without landing a single normal attack, so what's the use of an auto-attack feature?

I can understand that it could be usefull for the first 20 ranks when you don't have a full arsenal of abilities, so maybe a toggle feature could work, but it takes like a few of hours now to reach that rank and I really doubt someone would use it after that time.

IMHO the real problem is the you can reach rank 50 using just normal attacks: with a 8/15 party even if everyone are just using normal attacks a few mobs stay alive enough time to let you use a lot of skills, but that's something that can't be adressed by adding an auto attack feature.

Basically you want to do more skills, but the auto-attack still won't allow you to do that.
Maybe this can be addressed by lowering drastically the normal attacks' damage making it impossible to kill a mob using just them, so you can still fill your TP bar quickly with 1-3 hit but at that time the mob's hp bar will still be almost full and you'll have to use more skills and less normal attacks.