Auto attack: A complete battle system

[Linnear]

I have to agree with Betel. Where are you getting this statistic from? It's fine if you say a bunch of people are for AA, but it's premature and ignorant to assume that there isn't a sizable group of people that appreciate an active battle system based on a poll that is closed off to people who bought the game, have an active game account, and decided to answer the poll in the first place, and that isn't counting the people who DID post on the poll that they appreciated it.

For example, I've had a group of friends who are veterans of FFXI and several other entries in the series try FFXIV for an hour or so on different occasions, and most of them agree(4 out of 5) that they actually liked the active selection and armory system. These guys don't own a copy of the game or have an active FFXIV account. Where's their say?

Don't assume general unanimity without evidence thereof. It pretty much ruins arguments and perceptions of said arguers even if there's a HINT of truth to the person's argument.

I am going to assume that the dozons of threads on the topic might be a clue that it is an issue, Yoshi saying they will look at it might also be a hint, the low server pop might be a hint. Granted that they are all speculative, but there is noting sugesting that the system is good or couldn't be improved by an AA either. Unless you know something we don't, I woudl aruge that there is more information sugesting it is bad than good. If you know something we don't please share. If you can show me otherwise I would gladly listen.

[Malakhim]

I am going to assume that the dozons of threads on the topic might be a clue that it is an issue, Yoshi saying they will look at it might also be a hint, the low server pop might be a hint. Granted that they are all speculative, but there is noting sugesting that the system is good or couldn't be improved by an AA either. Unless you know something we don't, I woudl aruge that there is more information sugesting it is bad than good. If you know something we don't please share. If you can show me otherwise I would gladly listen.

I'm not saying I have any quantitative evidence, and I'm also not saying an auto-attack couldn't work.

I'm just pointing out that automatically assuming that everyone is for something and nobody is for the alternative is a dangerous side effect of group think, and that given the very closed nature of the polls and the forums, it's natural that there's going to be a large group of people(including potential customers) that are excluded. It also makes the person making the assumption look dumb.

I also say this as a person guilty of it on a few other forum topics on other FFXIV forums.

[Linnear]

I'm not saying I have any quantitative evidence, and I'm also not saying an auto-attack couldn't work.

I'm just pointing out that automatically assuming that everyone is for something and nobody is for the alternative is a dangerous side effect of group think, and that given the very closed nature of the polls and the forums, it's natural that there's going to be a large group of people(including potential customers) that are excluded. It also makes the person making the assumption look dumb.

I also say this as a person guilty of it on a few other forum topics on other FFXIV forums.

Agreed, generalizations are dangerous and erronous and genearlly a bad idea. Personally I try to stay away from them for the same reasons you mentioned. Personally I think that if the community can be quantative and where not possible, thoughtfully qualitative, we might be able to figure out what everone likes and doens't like about the game. Until that happens I don't see how we can expect SE to make changes to the game that will increase game participation.