Auto attack: A complete battle system

[Asra]

-Battle regiments....Great idea, very poorly executed. They're easy to screw up, mistime, and tricky to put into action. The SkillChain system in FFXI was rarely used beyond a few levels when Freeze was awesome and some end-game battles. Sure, it was extra damage....but waiting for your teammates to get TP sometimes was aggravating and wasteful.
With everyone able to use pretty much any WS ability now....it gets complicated and fairly silly.

Very easy to mistime or screw up? Have you seen Regimen at it's full power? It's as easy as stacking the right type of attacks to inflict the right status effects, and then stacking magic attacks and Weaponskills to unleash massive amounts of damage. All it takes to execute is minor amounts of communication and a person to start the stack and a person to launch it. The only thing wrong with regimen right now is that in areas of heavy lag it is inclined to hang and some people will not be able to execute the regimen, forcing people to go passive and active again to cancel.

The only real way to "screw up" a regimen is someone stacking the wrong type of skill, and its as easy as them going passive/active to fix. This is no different from renkeis/skillschains from XI, just without the effects and bonus magic damage doesn't have a delay timer, and you do it manually. I only think it needs some tweaks and that glitch fixed and it will be good to go, perhaps an easier way to cancel out of the regimen then going passive and then active again.

Theres only four types of attacks: Physical normal, magical normal, weaponskill (including weaponskills used by the Disciples of Magic) and magic spell. There is nothing complicated or silly about it, it's just hard to grip at first glance because it sounds more complicated than it is. Personally, I can't blame anyone in that notion though, it took me a small amount of time to fully grip the awsome effects of regimen.

[-S-a-g-e]

I honestly dont have a problem with the system the way it is now as far as not having auto attack, but in all honesty i would really care wither way, i just hate to see so much that needs to be done content wise and class distinction, new areas ect. fall second to something that works well imo...If any thing lets get vocal about BR.I would like to have Br set up in a way where you dont have to stop attacking because. i feel like everyfight is just using doing same old Br, and not really the things i may want to do to help the fight...Although i wonder at times if they just took out the ability to have abilities in que, if the whole system might feel alittle smoother and faulter less.

[Zenaku]

I don't spam attack at all o.o as a pug i have to go from using my DEF: attack too attack to get more TP then other one to do more DMG top of that buff myself up do diff type of WS i'm so busy while fighting and i still find a way to talk to other players if you want to talk then go to city and talk while you fighting there no point in talking. When doing endgame events in ffxi did you talk? the tank /macro what mob he attacking and you just spam your macro to target what his was attacking and we had auto attack and ppl still did not attack while doing endgame events.

Auto attack; Not thanks i'm glad it's not in the game. no more lazy AFK ppl.

[Sileface]

Please do not add an auto-attack!

Surely there is amore creative way to both prevent spam and increase communication among players (if those are the reasons for suggesting it). It just seems to be a lazy fix. Maybe the developers are too busy with other changes to create something unique.

There are numerous ways to fix these complaints, a few have already been listed here (combos would be nice). How about we add damage, accuracy, or special effect bonuses to basic attacks and increase cool-down. For example, the accuracy of light slash is increased if the target is performing a TP move or casting a spell. Perhaps, the enmity generation of heavy stab is increased of the enemy misses its target. These and all other basic attacks would have modifiers that would go into effect during specific battle situations. Basic attacks would be used sparingly and with intent. Or, we could just stay simple by increasing damage/accuracy/modifiers and creating cool-down timers.

How about this: instead of creating an auto-attack, make new /dance emotes! They could make our TP generate slowly overtime and the enemy could slowly loose health when engaged while we /dance, /dance, /dance! It would make everyone happy; There would be no need spam basic attacks or have an auto-attack, yet it would produce the same end.

I think the discussion should be on alternative to auto-attack instead whether or not to impliment it.
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[ChiefCurrahee]

Please do not add an auto-attack! ....

I think the discussion should be on alternative to auto-attack instead whether or not to impliment it.

With the current UI, I feel that it's too cumbersome NOT have some sort of auto attack.
especially with a game pad, and when the PS3 version is released

as of now this is how battle goes:

Basic attack --> --> --> --> --> TP SKILL <-- <-- <-- <-- <-- Basic attack <up> --> --> --> JOB ABILLITY <down> <-- <-- <-- BASIC ATTACK BASIC ATTACK BASIC ATTACK --> --> --> TP SKILL

Thats 8 actions which takes 29 button presses.

Most of that can be avoided by using strictly a keyboard and 8 actions only take as many button presses.

Adding Auto attack won't necessarily reduce the amount of button presses it takes to navigate the current battle UI but allow a less frantic pace to navigation.
you can rely on Auto attack to build your TP while you navigate the tabs for your next skill.

back in alpha the pace of battle was much slower, where attacks took 5-10 seconds (no lag) this allowed time to choose your next attack the battle UI was much more manageable. When they updated the combat system in Beta they didn't touch the battle UI. It's time for a change.

[Luie_Maverick]

I want to love ffxiv... please add auto attack. Please add dual wield ability!

[Danniedeadboy]

No Auto Attack and learn how to manage Stamina.. how can you multi shot or ferocity raging strike with auto attack.. What this game needs is either haste or lower the amount of stamina.. Stamina bars define Play style either you spam actions and deplete your stamina bar or you play wisely and do more damage while the other person is waiting on stamina.. It's not difficult in fact after a while you develop a timing of actions and are unaffected by stamina

[AmyRae]

No Auto Attack and learn how to manage Stamina.. how can you multi shot or ferocity raging strike with auto attack.. What this game needs is either haste or lower the amount of stamina.. Stamina bars define Play style either you spam actions and deplete your stamina bar or you play wisely and do more damage while the other person is waiting on stamina.. It's not difficult in fact after a while you develop a timing of actions and are unaffected by stamina

TBH I'm not sure Multi-shot has much of a future, anyway. It's a tad overpowered considering its use as a seriously damaging first strike that produces a heap of follow-up TP. It's reminiscent of how Pentathrust used to work back in early FFXI.

I'm not saying I want it gone, but I can't see a future where it doesn't get nerfed at some point and in some way.

[Spudrik]

Battle regimen would probably be used a lot more if we gained auto-attack as it would allow time for tactical descision as well as communication. Would make a battle more immersive than the current spam fest

[weeble]

there is nothing wrong with not having auto attack ..for the love of God please don't add auto attack se. it's not really a huge spam like some have said. and u still need to pay attention to u'r gage less u'r that mele that didn't have enough for provoke or to add a battle regimen quick enough cause u'r a one button smashing. besides this the part i love about it, it removes all the leechers, the half afk'ers, the duel botters, and anyone that does these are brought to light in seconds. fact i was one that liked where the very first sp system was going, they should of fixed that one not brought us a version of ffxi exp system again. please se don't bring back all the bad things of ffxi without the good and taking out the good of ffxiv and leavign the bad stuff. again no thanks please for auto attack, this game has already aloud players to watch a majillion hours of tv while playing with u'r crafting don't do it to the battle system too lol.