Auto attack: A complete battle system

[Masamune]

If it's anything at all like FFXI, I will fall asleep playing. That system is old and boring and I like the fact FFXIV has an action type style to it. I'm involved with the attacking not just waiting for the ability to ohmygooses special attack. I don't see how there is spamming when I have two lines of actions I am constantly using to heal, attack and shed off damage. Please work with the system now and not scrap it for something that has worked previously to just attract and silence players. I have liked most of the fixes besides the targeting, but that was fixed as well. All I can do is hold my breath and trust Yoshi-P.

[IndecentSoul]

Argh well typed out a reply but apparently it didn't post.

Pretty much I like the way FFXIV does it. I like being in control 100% of my characters every action. I can spam attacks to burst or I can ease them out at my leisure. It makes the game feel more immersive.

The one problem I had with auto attacks in in FFXI I often found my self just setting my character to auto attacking a mob while I would watch tv, read a book, or something else that wasn't FFXI. Then just every once in a while check my character to do a WS, use a ability, or to see if my target was even still alive.

[Reika]

Archers will hate auto attack. Spamming arrows = waste of arrows.

[Physic]

ahhh well, too bad auto attack, and a new system where it is required is coming, man it sounds like it will be bad

[konnichiwa]

lost a lengthy post due to login time out, lets see if I can make this quick.

Some of us want auto attack other like the active battle system. How about we do a little of both.

All basic attacks are now auto attacks. Attack and be turned on/off (while weapon is drawn) as not to break sleep or bind or other forms of crowd control. The rate of attack is based on weapon type. So 2 handers attack slow but hit hard, and one handers attack fast but light. Auto attacks generate TP which is used for abilities or weapon skills. the Rate of attack can be augmented through the use of food, spells or gear.

Stamina remains in place and is used to govern the amount of Spells/Skills you can use in a time frame. Stamina is regenerated at a steady rate which can be augmented through food, spells or abilities.

Spells, Weapon skills, and abilities consume TP and/or Stamina and can be used at will as long as you have the available TP and/or stamina to do so.

Battle regimens abilities can be cued up (TP and stamina for skill consumed) Auto attack continues until regimen is completed or canceled. No WS or abilities can be used while cued for a battle regimen.

I think a battle system of this type allows for the fast paced action of firing of abilities spells and weapon skills while taking the chore of basic attacks for TP gain out of the equation. This allow room for socialization while in battle and creates less for a work load for the player.

edit: added /or to: consume TP and(/or) Stamina (forgot to add that in lol)

I agree with this with minor difference; instead of consuming tp with regular abilities, it should be reserved for a special, stronger attack that can only be executed with a full tp gauge. Stamina alone should be used for normal abilities and should regen the same way it does now (enhanced like the op stated).

[Kimahri]

I'd like to see Auto-Attack so I can talk to my party and just goof around with them and talk about whatever it is that comes up. Couldn't even reply to a party member because I was forced to use one all the time.

[Eldaena]

I'd like to see Auto-Attack so I can talk to my party and just goof around with them and talk about whatever it is that comes up. Couldn't even reply to a party member because I was forced to use one all the time.

I don't believe you were 'forced' to hit one all the time. If I want to chat with my friends while in battle, I can do so and not feel over encumbered by pressing buttons. (Unless it's a very hard battle like one of the older NMs. Which if that were the case I am not in a position to be goofing off in the first place.) This is not saying that I don't think auto attack could possibly be a good thing or a bad thing, I'm just saying no one forces you to spam, but yourself. So this argument is so silly. ^^;

[Physic]

i think its a bad idea to base the game around typing. They should just improve exp gains so when you want to just talk, you just take a break and talk

[Kimahri]

Well excuse me for not being as 'Hardcore Gamer' as you are, Eldaena. I'm so sorry that me wanting to chat to friends and other relative gamers bothers you so bad as an excuse to wanting auto-attack. Not only do I want to chat with people to talk about whatever, it'd also be nice if I could type instructions/commands/thoughts while still being engaged to the enemy. I'd like my character to attack while I'm typing rather than just hit "1" then type something while my character stands around.

This is a game to enjoy, not obsess over. If I wanted to be serious, I'd build an addition to my garage. There is nothing serious enough not to goof off a little bit eventually. I'd much rather this game lean more towards the leisure style that XI had. Tapping the same button all the time is too stupid and repetitive.

Oh! And it's not an argument. It's my opinion. If you have a problem with that; Oh well. Didn't buy the game to hear some moron tell me I'm 'silly' for saying something.

[Eldaena]

Well excuse me for not being as 'Hardcore Gamer' as you are, Eldaena. I'm so sorry that me wanting to chat to friends and other relative gamers bothers you so bad as an excuse to wanting auto-attack. Not only do I want to chat with people to talk about whatever, it'd also be nice if I could type instructions/commands/thoughts while still being engaged to the enemy. I'd like my character to attack while I'm typing rather than just hit "1" then type something while my character stands around.

This is a game to enjoy, not obsess over. If I wanted to be serious, I'd build an addition to my garage. There is nothing serious enough not to goof off a little bit eventually. I'd much rather this game lean more towards the leisure style that XI had. Tapping the same button all the time is too stupid and repetitive.

Oh! And it's not an argument. It's my opinion. If you have a problem with that; Oh well. Didn't buy the game to hear some moron tell me I'm 'silly' for saying something.

I didn't say anything at all about being 'hardcore' or not. lol And why is everyone that has any issue with something you say suddenly a 'moron'? I wish you'd stop trolling all these forums. =p

Anyway, it looks like they are going to implement auto attack regardless, so that's not the issue here. It IS fun to chat with your friends and socialize while you're fighting. But if you're doing that stuff on an important fight and use your auto attack to do it, I'm not sure how many people will want you in their party. There is fun in doing things right too, and not just goofing around.

You don't need to spam 111111111 in this game. This is just a bad habit that many people have picked up because they are impatient as hell, lol. I can show many examples where spamming attack or even if I had an auto attack wouldn't benefit me in any way. (On my mages, or my Gladiator or Pugilist as well.)

Typically, if I find myself in a chatty mood, I do an attack/spell/or an ability, then type while the action is going off, then go back to fighting. The only times I ever have problems socializing in this manner is when I need to constantly be spamming heals and dots on NMs, but that is usually because we low man everything which means working doubletime on fights.

My point is 'socializing purposes' is not a good reason to add autoattack. If they want to focus more on spells and abilities that's fine, but come on....'I have problems being chatty when in battle.' That seems really counterproductive to a well-oiled and enjoyable battle experience. =(