Auto attack: A complete battle system

[Xzen]

While SE moves backwards I'll just go play the new MMOs that are innovative and have action style combat and dodging rather than Auto.

[Teknoman]

Like what? Honest question, since the only one I know of is Vindictus. I think even Guild Wars 2 is going the auto-attack route.

[Naqaj]

Like what? Honest question, since the only one I know of is Vindictus. I think even Guild Wars 2 is going the auto-attack route.

Another one that's actually available is DC Universe Online, which has a great combat system without auto-attack. The game has a lot of issues outside of combat though, I wouldn't recommend it without a trial first. Actually I wouldn't recommend it at all, as it will seriously spoil your experience of combat in the classic MMOs.
The strongest contenders for action combat MMOs are still not available, Blood&Soul, GW2 (not really auto-attack, but a toggle system, and VERY dynamic) are all still in development, TERA is only out in Korea.

[Xzen]

Another one that's actually available is DC Universe Online, which has a great combat system without auto-attack. The game has a lot of issues outside of combat though, I wouldn't recommend it without a trial first. Actually I wouldn't recommend it at all, as it will seriously spoil your experience of combat in the classic MMOs.
The strongest contenders for action combat MMOs are still not available, Blood&Soul, GW2 (not really auto-attack, but a toggle system, and VERY dynamic) are all still in development, TERA is only out in Korea.

You pretty much nailed all of the games I would have given as an example.

[Reika]

Bandwagoners...

[Xzen]

I think the combat you see in the trailers for FFXIII Versus would be the way forward.

[XiaoMaomi]

I think the combat you see in the trailers for FFXIII Versus would be the way forward.

I don't want Devil may Cry / third person shooter gameplay for an MMO.. that would be off imo.
Auto attack is very important to XIV's gameplay not sucking... pressing 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 does to make for any kind of excitement.

+ Versus XIII will probably be as bad as XIII was, I will pass on that.

[Xzen]

I'm not saying the combat we have now is good either. I just don't think going back to auto attack is the right answer.

[Teknoman]

I'm not saying the combat we have now is good either. I just don't think going back to auto attack is the right answer.

If they could make the auto attack much faster than XI, then it probably wouldnt be the same old same old. I think that is what Yoshi and team have planned. I'm not sure how they would be able to make it THAT much different from games like WoW or Guild Wars 1/2, but you never know.

Im pretty sure it wont be as slow as XI's auto attack was, regardless of weapon delay. Maybe this will be the best way to incorporate the different stances that were talked about early on (The gladiator circle image, and the pugilist defense------offensive chart)?

[Dyvid]

I'm love how people instantly assume that auto attack means you won't be hitting 1-9 alot. Go try WoW or Rift and let me know how that worked out for you.