Auto attack: A complete battle system

[Motoyuki]

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPAM ATTACK

Is it really that hard to understand? How have you even thought that a battle system could be designed around spamming attack? but most of all why at rank 12 you think you have enough knowledge to say something?

What MMO's battle system isn't designed around attacking as fast as you can? Right now at this current time, 14 is nothing more than a spam fest, and if your not spamming your attacks then your not doing the most you can be doing.
I don't want someones help doing leves if all they do is hit attack and talk to other people, thus endangering the party.
Rank means nothing when it comes to in game experience. Bottom line, currently if your not spamming, your not doing damage, and the monster isn't dying.

[Alcide]

What MMO's battle system isn't designed around attacking as fast as you can? Right now at this current time, 14 is nothing more than a spam fest, and if your not spamming your attacks then your not doing the most you can be doing.
I don't want someones help doing leves if all they do is hit attack and talk to other people, thus endangering the party.
Rank means nothing when it comes to in game experience. Bottom line, currently if your not spamming, your not doing damage, and the monster isn't dying.

Uhm currently I'm killing as many NM as I can, none of us is spamming anything (not even the healers...) and we managed to kill the Great Buffalo (roaming one) in 7 minutes... do i have to say anything else?

EDIT: oh and talking about guildleves, right now I'm ranking up archer, usually my pattern is hit multishot x2, hawk's eye, raging strike, normal attack x1, ferocity, weapon skill. Usually the mob is dead at this point, is it spammy? do you think i'm not doing my job?

[Yuuen]

This is gettin annoying

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPAM ATTACK

Is it really that hard to understand? How have you even thought that a battle system could be designed around spamming attack? but most of all why at rank 12 you think you have enough knowledge to say something?

EDIT: I'm sorry if I'm rude, I don't have anything against you, but I'm getting really tired of all those ppl not playing or playing a little or that just started playing and that think this game is so broken that is open for everyone's creative mind.

You don't like it from the roots? give up playing, there are tons of mmos you'll enjoy much better.

You know, I considered not posting on these forums, and I'll probably submit to that feeling before long. I've been playing more or less since the final beta and simply haven't had enough time or urge to play much over the winter due to personal undertakings, and while that still makes me very new to aspects of this game, I still have my feelings on it. Very simple, very basic feelings that are slowly adjusting as the game continues to be developed.

I think when you see very similar opinions voiced over and over it begins to get to you, as someone who may consider oneself a "veteran"; but you really shouldn't put words into other people's mouths. I like this game, and I hope it does well. They're obviously trying. I invested in it, and I don't intend to put it aside. Excuse me if I ever sound ignorant, but I won't ever lash out at others as you have.

[Alcide]

You know, I considered not posting on these forums, and I'll probably submit to that feeling before long. I've been playing more or less since the final beta and simply haven't had enough time or urge to play much over the winter due to personal undertakings, and while that still makes me very new to aspects of this game, I still have my feelings on it. Very simple, very basic feelings that are slowly adjusting as the game continues to be developed.

I think when you see very similar opinions voiced over and over it begins to get to you, as someone who may consider oneself a "veteran"; but you really shouldn't put words into other people's mouths. I like this game, and I hope it does well. They're obviously trying. I invested in it, and I don't intend to put it aside. Excuse me if I ever sound ignorant, but I won't ever lash out at others as you have.

I'm really sorry that I was rude, but you have to understand that I've been hanging around forums for a while and I've been reading all sort of things from people that clearly weren't playing and didn't know anything about the game.
I'm not a fan boy, I know this game has a lot of flaws, but I also know it has potential and I'd like to see it improved rather than changed from the roots.

I'm really sorry for my reaction and i truly apologize, but it wasn't anything personal against you.

[Motoyuki]

Uhm currently I'm killing as many NM as I can, none of us is spamming anything (not even the healers...) and we managed to kill the Great Buffalo (roaming one) in 7 minutes... do i have to say anything else?

You don't have to say anything else. Thats your style of play and what your doing currently is up to you. I'm not hating or anything. I've been playing since early December, not as long as most but what can I do? Currently, for most of the DoW (Pugilist, Lancer, even Marauder) Its honestly just a spam fest. Spam includes everything from attacking to skills. Theres no planning, barely any strategy involved from fight to fight. I'm supporting the auto attack function myself cause not only will there be more time to use skills and type (for those who don't use vent or any other form of voice chat) its the only way to form strategies and speak to teammates. Can't exactly do that if your attacking (DoT is as important as any Spike damage) at the moment. If we want this game to have a deep and fulfilling battle system, spamming of the light attack has to go. I'm not saying everyone does spam, but I'd say a good 80% does; which pretty much negates having all those interesting abilities. IMHO, Auto-attack will bring out the best in this battle system.

[Alcide]

You don't have to say anything else. Thats your style of play and what your doing currently is up to you. I'm not hating or anything. I've been playing since early December, not as long as most but what can I do? Currently, for most of the DoW (Pugilist, Lancer, even Marauder) Its honestly just a spam fest. Spam includes everything from attacking to skills. Theres no planning, barely any strategy involved from fight to fight. I'm supporting the auto attack function myself cause not only will there be more time to use skills and type (for those who don't use vent or any other form of voice chat) its the only way to form strategies and speak to teammates. Can't exactly do that if your attacking (DoT is as important as any Spike damage) at the moment. If we want this game to have a deep and fulfilling battle system, spamming of the light attack has to go. I'm not saying everyone does spam, but I'd say a good 80% does; which pretty much negates having all those interesting abilities. IMHO, Auto-attack will bring out the best in this battle system.

You're forgetting this part

"EDIT: oh and talking about guildleves, right now I'm ranking up archer, usually my pattern is hit multishot x2, hawk's eye, raging strike, normal attack x1, ferocity, weapon skill. Usually the mob is dead at this point, is it spammy? do you think i'm not doing my job? "

This is about archer, but my main is lancer and i playid a bit of thaumaturge too, i've never spammed anything with any of these classes unless, i've always had a good time while grinding/doing leves and i've socialized with many people.

The point is this battle system allows you to get to r50 spamming normal attacks, but it's just your choice and if you do it you're not giving your best and definitely you're not playing your class as it's supposed to be.
You can't blame the devs if you decide to play in the most boring way.

[Motoyuki]

You're forgetting this part

"EDIT: oh and talking about guildleves, right now I'm ranking up archer, usually my pattern is hit multishot x2, hawk's eye, raging strike, normal attack x1, ferocity, weapon skill. Usually the mob is dead at this point, is it spammy? do you think i'm not doing my job? "

This is about archer, but my main is lancer and i playid a bit of thaumaturge too, i've never spammed anything with any of these classes unless, i've always had a good time while grinding/doing leves and i've socialized with many people.

The point is this battle system allows you to get to r50 spamming normal attacks, but it's just your choice and if you do it you're not giving your best and definitely you're not playing your class as it's supposed to be.
You can't blame the devs if you decide to play in the most boring way.

I didn't forget about any part. The part your wrote about your Archer has nothing to do about my post. I stated 3 classes that are notorious for spamming. Archer wasn't included. Honestly, I don't care about your achievements. I'm stating the general population of FFXIV. Think outside the box and maybe you'll see where the people that want auto-attack is coming from. As for, this is my last post here. I'm not going to argue with someone who can only see something from his point of view.

[Alcide]

I didn't forget about any part. The part your wrote about your Archer has nothing to do about my post. I stated 3 classes that are notorious for spamming. Archer wasn't included. Honestly, I don't care about your achievements. I'm stating the general population of FFXIV. Think outside the box and maybe you'll see where the people that want auto-attack is coming from. As for, this is my last post here. I'm not going to argue with someone who can only see something from his point of view.

o.O

Obviousely I wasn't showing off my achievements, i couldn't care less, I was just showing an exemple of how the battle system is not spammy and as I said, my main is lancer (wich you have mentioned) and i've never spammed at all, but i won't show you my lancer pattern because you wouldn't care.

By the way I'm not seeing everything from my point of view, but from those of everyone that's still playing and enjoyng the game, coz everyone i know in game is absolutely against auto attack, so as I've said before, those that want auto attack are playing little/just started playing/quitted after rank 10 so no, I really can't see the game from their point of view, I don't want to and couldn't care less coz you're trying to change something you know nothing about.

[Tanaya]

The point of Alcide's original post to Yuuen was lost in the heat of the argument.

His point was you don't mash normal attacks (Light Slash for example) over and over again and anyone at a sufficient rank fighting sufficient mobs really shouldn't be doing it either. His point was not about stopping attacks altogether.

[xneonobodyx]

what i dont get is why people say they do not have enough time to use weapon skills and abilities :/ i have plenty time and stamina to do what i need to do.