Auto attack: A complete battle system

[Reika]

What a very grown up thing to say ^^.

Well if you wanna be rude...
The only reason that "Implementation of auto attack system" ever came up in Yoshi's letter is because people can't adjust to anything new. The only reason it appeared is to appease the whiney titty babies, who cry and complain when things arent copy/pasted properly.

If you dont like how 'Broken' this game is, go back to FFXI, WoW, Aion, Copy/paste rift, or wherever you came from. Nothing lost.

OOOR better yet. Go become the producer and make the game how you see fit. People don't normally get the power to shape up an entire mmo, stop abusing it.

Actually, I dont even know why i am arguing with someone that hasnt gotten past R25 in a battle job..

Back to the topic. I reiterate that just because things are 'different' than FFXI doesnt make them imperfect. I have had ZERO issues with playing my classes without auto attack. Lack of auto attack + stamina increases skill use tactics.

If you haven't gotten use to it, maybe you just lack skill.... or a brain.... or maybe your brain is on drugs?

[Eldaena]

No. It is far more near to perfection than XIV's battle system, though. The stamina gauge is just another gimmick copied from other RPG's. If you don't believe me, go play Dragon Age 2 really quick. I would much rather my character attack by itself without me devoloping a callus from hitting the number one all day.

I know. How about they implement an AA on/off feature. You can attack manually by turning it off, or AA if you're feeling quote/unquote "Lazy" Or is that too much in violation of your freedom? Seriously. Quit whining over your freedom to play. It's no excuse to why you want the system changed, just your own selfish desires are being scorned.

The first thing I'd like to address is that didn't Dragon Age 2 come out after Final Fantasy XIV? That's a rather poor example if you're trying to name one of where SE would have taken the idea of a stamina gauge from. And a stamina gauge, your so called 'gimmick', is only something that some other Final Fantasy games before this one had already had in their combat. (Also, auto-attack has been in so many mmo games in particular, how can that not be thought of in the same sense as you're putting a stamina gauge?)

Also, why are you telling me that I need to go play this game? Shouldn't my efforts be driven towards Final Fantasy XIV? I mean, you are talking in this forum to try to come to a solution on this and not simply fight with every person that has a different opinion than you, right? (Also, I can sense your dedication to this game while you're out playing other ones. It's good to be cultured, and it's good to let others know your opinions, but maybe you shouldn't try to endorse all other aspects of other games on this one, particularly when you are trying to condone one. Final Fantasy XIV does not equal <insert any other mmo ever.> It is not bad for a mmo to stand on it's own separate and different than other mmos before it.)

Another point, if you are developing a callous from you combat techniques while playing the game then you are simply mashing because you want to rush. There isn't a need to button mash, but rather, you could just pay attention to what you're doing and your fingers would be intact. I've played this game since the collectors release and never have I had any problems with my fingers, nor had to button mash in any manner.

I would like both parties of auto attack and non auto attack to be satisfied, however, even in my ideal world of both people being happy, I don't know how it would overall work for the game. How is that at all selfish? That I want people to be happy with how they do their combat without sacrificing the level of difficulty or the dedication of players now when they have to manually do everything? You know a person is there and aware now if they are fighting with you because everything they are doing they have to put in themselves.

I said that Final Fantasy XI's combat was not perfect. That is not me saying that it was bad. It is indeed different though, and I think the comparisons between the two should probably end and people should move on from that. Change is not bad, and not every mmo needs auto-attack as a cure all for the other problems in the combat.

From some of the points mentioned in the first post, all the options that auto attack would effect are simply a way to make what they already have in place work in a way that they wouldn't have to alter those things.

Take battle regimen for example. It sounds really nice that with auto attack you would still be able to keep attacking while the regimen is already cued up. However, why did we ever have to wait for everyone to cue it up that way? Why can't I, as a mage, after cuing up for the stacked regimen, cure someone that may need it while waiting for the regimen? Even with auto attack I wouldn't be able to help people while we are waiting for the regimen to be released. You can't do anything that is fully beneficial after stacking for a regimen. Do you think a few auto attack swings at like 20 damage each against some NM while waiting for a regimen to be released is really going to help with the overall success of the fight? People can beat them now without auto attack and do it really well.

My point is that why introduce a new feature that will only have a 'placebo' sort of effect on game-play? Why not fix battle regimens and the responsiveness of regular attacks?

[ChiefCurrahee]

If you haven't gotten use to it, maybe you just lack skill.... or a brain.... or maybe your brain is on drugs?

It take absolutely now skill or a brain to press buttons either.

Tell me what is the use of the default #1 attack? To do dmg and to gain TP. It serves no other purpose, none what so ever.
Your other TP building attacks that you gain have effects attached to them such as bind or AOE or evasion boost ect ect. THese attacks make these selectable stamina reducing attacks.
But as far as the #1 attack is concerned it is more of a hinderance than a blessing. Thus I propose that it becomes toggable for auto attack. Everything else stays the same.

And P.S. in my 7+ years of playing FFXI with its auto attack system i've never watched TV or gone afk for extended periods of time while i just let my character auto attack. I may have taken the opportunity to eat/drink something mid battle talk on the phone, talk to my wife and input abilities and skills at a more leisured pace since I didn't have to focus on building TP with a press of some button.
I don't want auto attack because I want to do something else. I want auto attack because the concept of having to build TP is tedious. This isn't an action game.

[Kimahri]

What a very grown up thing to say ^^.

Well if you wanna be rude...
The only reason that "Implementation of auto attack system" ever came up in Yoshi's letter is because people can't adjust to anything new. The only reason it appeared is to appease the whiney titty babies, who cry and complain when things arent copy/pasted properly.

If you dont like how 'Broken' this game is, go back to FFXI, WoW, Aion, Copy/paste rift, or wherever you came from. Nothing lost.

OOOR better yet. Go become the producer and make the game how you see fit. People don't normally get the power to shape up an entire mmo, stop abusing it.

Actually, I dont even know why i am arguing with someone that hasnt gotten past R25 in a battle job..

Back to the topic. I reiterate that just because things are 'different' than FFXI doesnt make them imperfect. I have had ZERO issues with playing my classes without auto attack. Lack of auto attack + stamina increases skill use tactics.

If you haven't gotten use to it, maybe you just lack skill.... or a brain.... or maybe your brain is on drugs?

*Yawn* It's so funny that you again stated nothing except to tell people to go back to FFXI. Haha, pathetic. I'm sorry, but to "Argue" with someone over a topic, you have to list a couple of points to "Argue" about. I'm going to go ahead and cut and paste your own quote slightly modified.

maybe you just lack.....a brain.... or maybe your brain is on drugs?

Maybe you haven't thought to consider that people would rather you only turn attack on or off rather than press the number one button over & over again? Wait.....Let's go back to your quote up above! Hahahaha!

Edit: As regards to my ranks? Oh well. I only have so much time to play the game. I have other obligations to attend to before I can enjoy my personal desires.

[kukurumei]

The first thing I'd like to address is that didn't Dragon Age 2 come out after Final Fantasy XIV? That's a rather poor example if you're trying to name one of where SE would have taken the idea of a stamina gauge from. And a stamina gauge, your so called 'gimmick', is only something that some other Final Fantasy games before this one had already had in their combat. (Also, auto-attack has been in so many mmo games in particular, how can that not be thought of in the same sense as you're putting a stamina gauge?)

Also, why are you telling me that I need to go play this game? Shouldn't my efforts be driven towards Final Fantasy XIV? I mean, you are talking in this forum to try to come to a solution on this and not simply fight with every person that has a different opinion than you, right? (Also, I can sense your dedication to this game while you're out playing other ones. It's good to be cultured, and it's good to let others know your opinions, but maybe you shouldn't try to endorse all other aspects of other games on this one, particularly when you are trying to condone one. Final Fantasy XIV does not equal <insert any other mmo ever.> It is not bad for a mmo to stand on it's own separate and different than other mmos before it.)

The problem is the bastardized battle system is nothing but a mimic of FF11, such that the lack of auto attack and in its place a stamina bar is merely a gimmick of novelty rather then workable system.

We are still in the auto-attack-use passive skills-gain tp-WS syndrome. We have not evolved one bit from that.

Getting rid of auto attack is basically making the poor excuse of a FF11 battle, more poor instead of better. A true action triggering system wouldn't be on such a formula.

The proposal of a auto attack is what helps because of
1: The current system is essentially that
2: We have a huge bag of tricks when it comes to auto-attack system due to how mature such systems are in MMO history
3: We're in a time of crisis. It's no time to be daydreaming of Delusions of Grandeur.

[Kimahri]

The first thing I'd like to address is that didn't Dragon Age 2 come out after Final Fantasy XIV?

I'm sorry, but I already read a fault at which you complaining means nothing. Dragon Age 2 has the same stamina system as it's predecessor Dragon Age.(Dragon Age came out long before FFXIV.) Please stop talking. I don't like reading posts of complaints based off of minimal intellect.

There isn't a need to button mash, but rather, you could just pay attention to what you're doing and your fingers would be intact. I've played this game since the collectors release and never have I had any problems with my fingers, nor had to button mash in any manner.

I'm sorry. I was intending my statement of my finger devoloping a callus as a pun. Please do not take most things literally when getting upset. Also, maybe you should think outside the box. Why am I just mashing? Probably because it's boring and not engaging. Yeah....

Take battle regimen for example. It sounds really nice that with auto attack you would still be able to keep attacking while the regimen is already cued up. However, why did we ever have to wait for everyone to cue it up that way? Why can't I, as a mage, after cuing up for the stacked regimen, cure someone that may need it while waiting for the regimen? Even with auto attack I wouldn't be able to help people while we are waiting for the regimen to be released. You can't do anything that is fully beneficial after stacking for a regimen. Do you think a few auto attack swings at like 20 damage each against some NM while waiting for a regimen to be released is really going to help with the overall success of the fight? People can beat them now without auto attack and do it really well.

Well there was another thread regarding the BR system. A lot of people didn't like it. Locking you out from performing simple duties? Blah. A lot of posts regarding this listed that auto-attack isn't the only thing that'll help the BR system. Go read those threads, or is that going to be a scornful remark towards you? Maybe you'll see more examples listed.

[Reika]

I doubt they are even reading this thread to form a basis of weather or not they should add auto attack, since there are those that want to attack opinions and start the rude game.

[Reika]

I'm sorry, but I already read a fault at which you complaining means nothing. Dragon Age 2 has the same stamina system as it's predecessor Dragon Age.(Dragon Age came out long before FFXIV.) Please stop talking. I don't like reading posts of complaints based off of minimal intellect.



I'm sorry. I was intending my statement of my finger devoloping a callus as a pun. Please do not take most things literally when getting upset. Also, maybe you should think outside the box. Why am I just mashing? Probably because it's boring and not engaging. Yeah....



Well there was another thread regarding the BR system. A lot of people didn't like it. Locking you out from performing simple duties? Blah. A lot of posts regarding this listed that auto-attack isn't the only thing that'll help the BR system. Go read those threads, or is that going to be a scornful remark towards you? Maybe you'll see more examples listed.

You have made scornful remarks at everyone that is Anti-auto attack, anti-job/subjob, and pro-BR. "That person isnt voting for auto attack! lets tell em to shut up and go sit in a corner."

[Kimahri]

No, Reika. I'm telling you to shut up because honestly I have yet to see a valid point from you since coming to this thread. If you're going to comment back with absolutely nothing to say, or nit pick points of my examples that means absolutely nothing, (Like trying to tell me Dragon Age 2 came out after FFXIV?) then do not post replies. I can be very civil with anyone, but I do not have patience to talk to anyone who says nothing or posts invalid replies.

Here's a challenge. Can you actually, right now, post at least three different reasons why auto-attack doesn't belong and explain why the current system holds much more water? If not, then stop posting. Bring something to the table to further an argument. Maybe then I won't hound you for being a hinderance.

Edit: By the way, Reika. Aren't you the hypocrite? I clearly remember you telling anyone who opposed any different opinion other than yours to go play something else.

[Evovenom]

No, Reika. I'm telling you to shut up. lol

Edit: By the way, Reika. Aren't you the hypocrite? I clearly remember you telling anyone who opposed any different opinion other than yours to go play something else.

Like I always say, the door to FFXI is still open. No one is stopping you from playing it again if you love it so much....

No one cares about the opinion of someone with so few posts! BEGONE!

People will play the game how they want. If people are going to start and ARC bandwagon cuz they are scared of an AOE attack, so be it. Some people acually like punching or chopping things up close.

And like I always say, the door to FFXI and other MMO's is always open.

Hope that helps clear few things up.