Auto attack: A complete battle system

[Vanguard319]

There's nothing wrong at all with the concept of active battle. It's only "shitty" because you think it is, instead you would rather ruin the combat system further for an outdated play style that was obselete years ago, and that the game itself wasn't designed around. Also, Yoshi-P didn't explicitly say that auto-attack was coming now did he? For all we know, He could be referring to adjustments to the armory system, or even the idea of instanced dungeons. Even if there is a major adjustment coming for the battle engine, it doesn't necessarily mean that your getting the dumbed down auto attack that you keep begging for. As for the current UI, it is a vast improvement over what we started out with, considering how awful it was on release. As for content, what do you call sidequests? The content being added will improve with continued feedback, hence why we have forums with dev tags. Sounds like you're now making assumpions that aa is gauranteed without any concrete evidence to back it up.

[Betelgeuzah]

Spaming attacks is very stressful on the hands and even your controler and keyboard.

Hello, and welcome to playing actual video games where that is required from you. I hope you can get over the culture shock.

[ChiefCurrahee]

Hello, and welcome to playing actual video games where that is required from you. I hope you can get over the culture shock.

Welcome to a video game where hundreds of thousands of players quit seemingly overnight. The lack of content, and the Battle System being the culprits for this one.

What would you say to this:

1,000 people are sticking around right now to see if SE puts in an AA If they Don't those 1,000 people leave.

1,000 people will leave if they do implement an AA.

of the several hundreds of thousands of players who quit maybe 5,000 are willing to come back with AA.

Of those hundreds of thousands of people who quit, how many will come back if the battle system stays the same?


FFXIV if effectively in a beta mode right now. This is the time to try things. For better or worse SE needs to bring players back into the fold. Player Polls show that people who play or played this game do not like the current battle system.

Betelgeuzah, you are in the minority when it comes to liking what we currently have.

[Malakhim]

Betelgeuzah, you are in the minority when it comes to liking what we currently have.

I have to agree with Betel. Where are you getting this statistic from? It's fine if you say a bunch of people are for AA, but it's premature and ignorant to assume that there isn't a sizable group of people that appreciate an active battle system based on a poll that is closed off to people who bought the game, have an active game account, and decided to answer the poll in the first place, and that isn't counting the people who DID post on the poll that they appreciated it.

For example, I've had a group of friends who are veterans of FFXI and several other entries in the series try FFXIV for an hour or so on different occasions, and most of them agree(4 out of 5) that they actually liked the active selection and armory system. These guys don't own a copy of the game or have an active FFXIV account. Where's their say?

Don't assume general unanimity without evidence thereof. It pretty much ruins arguments and perceptions of said arguers even if there's a HINT of truth to the person's argument.

[Linnear]

I have to agree with Betel. Where are you getting this statistic from? It's fine if you say a bunch of people are for AA, but it's premature and ignorant to assume that there isn't a sizable group of people that appreciate an active battle system based on a poll that is closed off to people who bought the game, have an active game account, and decided to answer the poll in the first place, and that isn't counting the people who DID post on the poll that they appreciated it.

For example, I've had a group of friends who are veterans of FFXI and several other entries in the series try FFXIV for an hour or so on different occasions, and most of them agree(4 out of 5) that they actually liked the active selection and armory system. These guys don't own a copy of the game or have an active FFXIV account. Where's their say?

Don't assume general unanimity without evidence thereof. It pretty much ruins arguments and perceptions of said arguers even if there's a HINT of truth to the person's argument.

I am going to assume that the dozons of threads on the topic might be a clue that it is an issue, Yoshi saying they will look at it might also be a hint, the low server pop might be a hint. Granted that they are all speculative, but there is noting sugesting that the system is good or couldn't be improved by an AA either. Unless you know something we don't, I woudl aruge that there is more information sugesting it is bad than good. If you know something we don't please share. If you can show me otherwise I would gladly listen.

[Malakhim]

I am going to assume that the dozons of threads on the topic might be a clue that it is an issue, Yoshi saying they will look at it might also be a hint, the low server pop might be a hint. Granted that they are all speculative, but there is noting sugesting that the system is good or couldn't be improved by an AA either. Unless you know something we don't, I woudl aruge that there is more information sugesting it is bad than good. If you know something we don't please share. If you can show me otherwise I would gladly listen.

I'm not saying I have any quantitative evidence, and I'm also not saying an auto-attack couldn't work.

I'm just pointing out that automatically assuming that everyone is for something and nobody is for the alternative is a dangerous side effect of group think, and that given the very closed nature of the polls and the forums, it's natural that there's going to be a large group of people(including potential customers) that are excluded. It also makes the person making the assumption look dumb.

I also say this as a person guilty of it on a few other forum topics on other FFXIV forums.

[ChiefCurrahee]

I have to agree with Betel. Where are you getting this statistic from? It's fine if you say a bunch of people are for AA, but it's premature and ignorant to assume that there isn't a sizable group of people that appreciate an active battle system based on a poll that is closed off to people who bought the game, have an active game account, and decided to answer the poll in the first place, and that isn't counting the people who DID post on the poll that they appreciated it.

For example, I've had a group of friends who are veterans of FFXI and several other entries in the series try FFXIV for an hour or so on different occasions, and most of them agree(4 out of 5) that they actually liked the active selection and armory system. These guys don't own a copy of the game or have an active FFXIV account. Where's their say?

Don't assume general unanimity without evidence thereof. It pretty much ruins arguments and perceptions of said arguers even if there's a HINT of truth to the person's argument.

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...16083b634f7678

question 1: What do you feel are currently the most significant issues with the battle system? (up to three answers)

2nd biggest issue was "Spamming actions" just behind the lack of class uniqueness.

It speaks volumes for the active battle system is not liked.

[Malakhim]

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...16083b634f7678

question 1: What do you feel are currently the most significant issues with the battle system? (up to three answers)

2nd biggest issue was "Spamming actions" just behind the lack of class uniqueness.

It speaks volumes for the active battle system is not liked.

...I'm pretty sure you didn't read the rest of my post if that's your response.

I'm not saying a bunch of people are for an auto-attack, I'm saying that due to the very closed nature of the polls and these forums, we can't say that anything is indicative of anything(including my perspective on the issue), and arguing the opposite makes you look totally irreverent to the opinions of people who don't get to post here/post in the polls, and thus makes you look dumb.

I'm not saying you are dumb, in fact I like some of your ideas on other stuff like BRs, but doing that makes your arguments look dumb.

[Linnear]

Hello, and welcome to playing actual video games where that is required from you. I hope you can get over the culture shock.

betel, are you ever going to make a point or are you just going to say I am right and your wrong all the time? You are just saying it sucks, how about letting the rest of the community in on the super special secret which is why AA is a bad idea? just for a change of pace, but I understand if you wan't want to, change can be scarry.....

Lower the amount of unentertaining useless moves by an auto attack and you leave more room for movements, positioning, and you let the mobs be harder becuase your not spending time on useless attacks. Seems pretty simple, auto attack lets the devs make the game harder and more interesting. If you woudl rather just stand there and hit a bunch of buttons at various intervals thats good for you, but dont' say you think an Auto attack will make the game easier becuase that is not necessarly the case if SE does it right.

[Betelgeuzah]

Betelgeuzah, you are in the minority when it comes to liking what we currently have.

From where did you pull this assumption from?

When I say I don't agree with the proposed solution that does not mean I think the current system is fine. And more importantly, just because I don't like the current system in it's present form does not mean I should just shut up and be grateful that we're getting "something", whatever that may be.

Being satisfied with mediocrity is what got them in this situation in the first place.

You are just saying it sucks, how about letting the rest of the community in on the super special secret which is why AA is a bad idea

I have a thread where everything regarding auto-attack has been discussed more than a few times already.

and you let the mobs be harder becuase your not spending time on useless attacks.

What the hell does this even mean?