You want to see overraction? Go check out the DPS forums...

[MBTL90]

At least when the tank forum overreacted, it was because one class received significant changes that will actually mix up the class paradigm a little bit. SMNs lose one dot, BRDs lose a utility spell, and BLMs get a bad aoe spell nerfed, and it's the end of the world.

[BlackShroudMercs]

Well not to defend the people who are upset and handling it badly but yeah they have a right to be angry.

SE said NOTHING about this (correct me if I am wrong) but SE told us only bard would see a nerf, then they tag not only bard, but SMN, BLM, and WHM.

That's not cool, IMO if a class is weak you make it stronger, you dont nerf other classes to make up for another's shortcomings.

The bard nerf we all were told about and I SUPPOSE that was ok but when they touched classes they shouldn't have, they opened the door for a whole lot of complaining from people already angry about FC pricing.

Just my opinion. ..

[Itseotle]

but yeah they have a right to be angry.

No one has a right to be angry. People can BE angry about changes but they have no right to be. Its understandable people are paying for SE's service that is this game. However, SE's changes are well within there buyer-seller agreement. They are playing an MMO, and like any other MMO is subject to frequent balance changes, adjustments, additions, and of course, nerfs. This is expected, whether or not someone said it will happen, you play knowing it could happen, and most likely will. There was never any promise made that things would never change.

I do not understand why people feel so strongly about such changes. Change is a good thing, it prevents stale gameplay, in one way or another. If you feel your class is no longer keeping you interested, you can play another class, and can also comment, like a civilized human being, about it. If you feel SE's service is no longer what you expected or wanted, then stop paying for there service. Its all really, really simple.

[PriyaJugulataris]

Um while most BLM's aren't that angry about it (IMO, It's a change in rotation, though people will judge if it's worth it or not to them.), Bard's received significant nerfs dps wise, regaling them to a support slot that has had it's support function lowered as well. To a class surrounding dots, losing a dot (1/4) is a big deal. So it's not that much of an overreaction. In your tanking land, you paladins were held supreme. Now it's pali/warrior is viable and better. In DPS land, melee dps got buffed damage wise, ranged got debuffed. This results in more relative upheaval. Coupled with the lack of forewarning, and sheer lack of necessity, People are angry.

[MBTL90]

Um while most BLM's aren't that angry about it (IMO, It's a change in rotation, though people will judge if it's worth it or not to them.), Bard's received significant nerfs dps wise, regaling them to a support slot that has had it's support function lowered as well. To a class surrounding dots, losing a dot (1/4) is a big deal. So it's not that much of an overreaction. In your tanking land, you paladins were held supreme. Now it's pali/warrior is viable and better. In DPS land, melee dps got buffed damage wise, ranged got debuffed. This results in more relative upheaval. Coupled with the lack of forewarning, and sheer lack of necessity, People are angry.

"Significant Dps Nerfs"

Blood for Blood:
say baseline damage is 100/sec.
With blood for blood
2400 damage while active(20 sec)
6000 while not(60 sec cd)
8400 total
105 damage/sec

Nerfed
2200 while active
6000 while not
8200 total
102.5 damage/sec

Blood for Blood nerf is about a 3% nerf, and I imagine internal release is less. This also assumes that abilites go on cd as soon as they get used, not after duration, of which I have no clue about. For some reason I never actually checked if this is the case or not. They said they were going to nerf brd dmg, and they did slightly, without changing the class. I honestly thought they were going to add a cast bar to one of the abilites, but all they did was very slightly nerf damage.

[ProxyTooMuch]

"Significant Dps Nerfs"

Blood for Blood nerf is about a 3% nerf, and I imagine internal release is less. This also assumes that abilites go on cd as soon as they get used, not after duration, of which I have no clue about. For some reason I never actually checked if this is the case or not. They said they were going to nerf brd dmg, and they did slightly, without changing the class. I honestly thought they were going to add a cast bar to one of the abilites, but all they did was very slightly nerf damage.

Bards aren't nerfed that badly. Add everything up it amounts to about a 3.75% to 5% damage nerf whereas summoners are looking at a ~7% single target damage nerf. BLM got their aoe damage nerfed quite dramatically (no more Blizz III -> Fire III -> Flare). Virus got nerfed pretty hard, too.

So overall, Coil just got a bit harder.

[Viridiana]

Bards aren't nerfed that badly. Add everything up it amounts to about a 3.75% to 5% damage nerf

We also lost a good bit of the utility that supposedly justified nerfing our already-low dps. . .

Seems like everyone wants to talk about BRD losing one piece or the other, but so few want to talk about how we lost both at the same time.

[NephHalp]

We also lost a good bit of the utility that supposedly justified nerfing our already-low dps. . .

Seems like everyone wants to talk about BRD losing one piece or the other, but so few want to talk about how we lost both at the same time.

The reason for the RoD and virus changes is because of the storm's path change for warrior (10% damage reduction). Groups who were already doing a virus/eye for an eye/RoD rotation could add in a warrior and basically have a constant 20% reduction in damage instead of just 10%.

[YuiSasaki]

BLM got their aoe damage nerfed quite dramatically (no more Blizz III -> Fire III -> Flare).

Who'd use a full mana flare to begin with....

[Sleigh]

Who'd use a full mana flare to begin with....

There are some rotations, optimal ones from my testing in fact, that base AoE around Flare. It's not about having full MP, it's about being in Umbral Ice III to get faster cast times on both your Fire III or Flare (with the double Flare method being taken away in 2.1) and then again faster cast time on Flare. It is/was quite effective, more so than Fire II rotations.