Items Database Updated! - Are the new weapons worth it?

[saber_alter]

do we still want lantern shields at this point or are kite shields superior? The block rate and block strength on Holy Shield and Onion Shield are very different

not sure, i block for 28% when i have a melee dps in party, so i could run with it.

still doesn't rule out the fact that allagan is still bis for shields.

[Delnoir]

Dual Haken looks like a great weapon (be happy warriors )

I'm anything BUT happy. Spend myth tomes to get Zenith'd have a ball for a month, feel ready for the patch, then BAM. Primal weapon is better. That's a real kick in the teeth. I'll probably just end up getting the Holy Lance for my Dragoon and save it for cosmetics.

[zdub303]

not sure, i block for 28% when i have a melee dps in party, so i could run with it.

still doesn't rule out the fact that allagan is still bis for shields.

Why? Allagan Round Shield is still i90 - http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/55e77f202fe/

What makes bis? (genuinly curious here as a tank who still hasn't seen it drop)

[BillyBones]

Uh that DRG lance.. I like having options and all but seriously, why would anyone give up critrate and a big chunk of precision for speed?

[HumsterMKX]

Depends a lot on what equipment and food you are using. The new i90 weapons just help you min/max more.

[saber_alter]

Why? Allagan Round Shield is still i90 - http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/55e77f202fe/

What makes bis? (genuinly curious here as a tank who still hasn't seen it drop)

Has accuracy and parry, holy shield has skill speed instead of accuracy, onion shield acts like a lantern shield and has critical hit rate.

accuracy and parry are the two stats that you should be prioritizing end-game.

@Delnoir: i +1ed my shield the moment i got relic, then i found out that allagan was better...and drops on turn 1.

T_T

[zdub303]

accuracy and parry are the two stats that you should be prioritizing end-game.

between Holy Shield and Allagan shield I see that, but I think it goes much deeper now when trying to balance effective mitigation between a kite shield and a lantern shield. If kite shields are superior mitigation then Allagan is BiS, but if lantern shields are then Onion shield is BiS despite missing a relatively small amount of parry and accuracy.

[Darkshneider]

isnip.

I think your abit confused.
Madman whispering rod itself has a lot less base dmg than the ifrit cane itself.your not taking that into account

Item "color" and i lvl have absolutely nothing to do with how good your damage or healing yo do.its the total of the stats of your equipment that affect healing ((mind,det)) and the base weapon damage of the weapon your wearing.Base weapon damage in this game is the biggest boost,the number of "raw" stats required to equate to lets say,4 weapon damage its quite a chunk.
Its all math and number in the end,and the color of the item and the ilvl per se has absolutely nothing to do with it,its that higher ilvl "usually" has higer amounts of stats/damage

[misterrpg]

between Holy Shield and Allagan shield I see that, but I think it goes much deeper now when trying to balance effective mitigation between a kite shield and a lantern shield. If kite shields are superior mitigation then Allagan is BiS, but if lantern shields are then Onion shield is BiS despite missing a relatively small amount of parry and accuracy.

There hasn't been enough testing to see if kite, tower, or small shields are better.

By the way... Onion has the best stats out of any shield. 7 parry and 11 crit. Crit is better than 7 acc (almost useless) and 7 skill speed.

[FadeZone]

I think PLDs and BLMs got the short end of the stick with these weapons. Their item level weapon set is effectively ILvl 92.5, not 95, since there is no iLvl 95 shield.