Items Database Updated! - Are the new weapons worth it?

[Noctore]

So I was looking over the new items in the lodestone database and comparing stats to endgame weapons(i80+). To me it seems that some of the new primal weapons are rather useless or rather a slight downgrade from ones we already have. Also, with the titan weapons level increase, some of the relics are falling slightly short. Overall, I like having the variety of different weapons now. However, it's hard to say how it will play out when we have to target specific weapons for an optimal build.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...min_item_lv=51

For Example: I think I would use titan weapon over relic for war now. And, the Dual Haken seems to be used for DPS since the lack of parry.

What is your take on these changes and what weapon are looking forward to using now?
(I know each class varies with these changes.)

[Billzey]

BRD bow is obviously amazing. However, I'm not sure I could deal with the loss of accuracy. I'll have to play around with gear sets, but it's potentially better than even allagan bow.

[Luso]

BRD bow is obviously amazing. However, I'm not sure I could deal with the loss of accuracy. I'll have to play around with gear sets, but it's potentially better than even allagan bow.

Use the new bow for content that doesn't require a lot of accuracy. ^_^
I like a lot of variety the new items are adding.

[Marxam]

BRD bow is obviously amazing. However, I'm not sure I could deal with the loss of accuracy. I'll have to play around with gear sets, but it's potentially better than even allagan bow.

Gives you a reason to use RoD.

[n3wman918]

Why'd they change "+1" to "Zenith"?

[Djeserit]

Why'd they change "+1" to "Zenith"?

Because +1 +2 and so on are kinda boring.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Why'd they change "+1" to "Zenith"?

because i think +1 may indicate to some people that there is an upgrade system. a system that allows further then +1. onwards up to a higher number like +6 or something.

may have cause some confusion with people. or maybe they wanna prevent it. lol i feel sorry for the newbie that bought more mats to try to to +2 their weapon.


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and about the item being worth it or not. i think it is. the item level of your weapon can be important.

even if it is only 5 item levels it can make a difference.


example White Mage weapons... http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...min_item_lv=51


you can see the Madman's Whispering Rod and the Ifrit's Cane.

the Cane has only 4 more Mind and 7 more Magic Damage. (i dunno if the damage affect healing or not). it also has the +14 Determination. now Determination has a VERY small impact on healing.

with the Rod my 'Cure I' healed roughly 250HP. with the Cane my 'Cure I' healed roughly 340HP.


there is NO way the nominal change in stats could have added 90HP in healing. i know this from testing with other parts like rings and gear and etc.



there are only two other factors that could have caused such a drastic increase. the Item Level. and the quality going from green to blue.

i am also not sure if having green or pink or blue or even purple makes any difference.

[zdub303]

there are only two other factors that could have caused such a drastic increase. the Item Level. and the quality going from green to blue.

i am also not sure if having green or pink or blue or even purple makes any difference.

You are arriving to the right conclusion but in the wrong way. Item level will dictate the stat caps for each of those weapons, the ifrit cane cane has a higher stat cap on the 'magic damage' stat as you comment in your post. The fact is, magic damage(weapon damage for physical dps) is the highest priority stat for healing and damage. So high in fact that its weighted somewhere around 8-10 times more than your primary stat (MND in the case of you healing).

So 7 more magic damage equates to approximately 56-70 more points of MND. That is why your Cure I increases in potency so much.

Determination is weighted around 0.20-0.25 compared to MND for healing.

onion shield seems useful, doesn't have skill speed on it.

The real question is... do we still want lantern shields at this point or are kite shields superior? The block rate and block strength on Holy Shield and Onion Shield are very different

[saber_alter]

do we still want lantern shields at this point or are kite shields superior? The block rate and block strength on Holy Shield and Onion Shield are very different

not sure, i block for 28% when i have a melee dps in party, so i could run with it.

still doesn't rule out the fact that allagan is still bis for shields.

[zdub303]

not sure, i block for 28% when i have a melee dps in party, so i could run with it.

still doesn't rule out the fact that allagan is still bis for shields.

Why? Allagan Round Shield is still i90 - http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/55e77f202fe/

What makes bis? (genuinly curious here as a tank who still hasn't seen it drop)