Small plots and big misconceptions

[Scarletyoshi]

Why even go there? Bad comment is bad. I don't care about housing anyway but it's all fluff, its just a zone you can decorate and maybe mini games in the future. I don't get why everyone cares so much. I don't know I don't get it, but that doesn't mean some people are blindly defending it. The reason it's so expensive is to remove that inflation on servers because of the high rmt presence and gil generation. Too much gil floating around for no reason and SE is looking for ways to get rid of it without just taking it. Don't know why they care about inflation anyway the crafting is one big mini game of people trading amongst themselves with no real point. As of now few gear sets worth crafting and they are replaced with i90.

Housing is major focus of 2.1. So big they devoted an entire Live Letter to it. This is not some fluff.

They put a lot of work and development time into this, spent a lot of time building up peoples expectations only to lock most of us out behind a giant gil-wall. We care so much because for those of us who don't enjoy running the same dungeons over and over again to get the leetest gear this was the content that we've been most excited for, and now it might as well not exist.

Which I consider wasted time that they could've spent doing open world content instead of dailies. Happy people are excited for new content but can't agree, and I still consider it fluff since I don't see what the point of said content is. At the end of my day I see it as a small zone that you can decorate, not knocking if people like to do that, hell, I love the Sims, BUT don't see the point of an MMO having housing. The gil-wall is to remove some gil from the market. Just an agree to disagree and I know I might be a minority in not caring about housing but still doesn't change my view.

That's the kicker though. If the intent was to remove gil from the market, it makes no sense to set prices so high that almost anyone interested in buying house (which is going to be pretty much everyone who has been hoarding their gil) to hoard even more in the hopes of being able to afford a house later on. People are going to become even more self-sufficient so as not to waste the gil they need. There's going to be a lot of people flooding the markets and a lot less willing to buy what they're selling. Better to let people into the houses and charge rent.

Also, I don't blame you for not being interested in housing, but at the end of the day they did put the development time into this and because of their decision hardly anyone will get to use it. If it turns out to be a giant waste it's because of that decision they made, not because people wanted to build houses with their friends. That's why I personally have trouble accepting some of the arguments in defense of these prices.

[Battlewrench]

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Which I consider wasted time that they could've spent doing open world content instead of dailies. Happy people are excited for new content but can't agree, and I still consider it fluff since I don't see what the point of said content is. At the end of my day I see it as a small zone that you can decorate, not knocking if people like to do that, hell, I love the Sims, BUT don't see the point of an MMO having housing. The gil-wall is to remove some gil from the market. Just an agree to disagree and I know I might be a minority in not caring about housing but still doesn't change my view.

Housing is major focus of 2.1. So big they devoted an entire Live Letter to it. This is not some fluff.

They put a lot of work and development time into this, spent a lot of time building up peoples expectations only to lock most of us out behind a giant gil-wall. We care so much because for those of us who don't enjoy running the same dungeons over and over again to get the leetest gear this was the content that we've been most excited for, and now it might as well not exist.



That's the kicker though. If the intent was to remove gil from the market, it makes no sense to set prices so high that almost anyone interested in buying house (which is going to be pretty much everyone who has been hoarding their gil) to hoard even more in the hopes of being able to afford a house later on. People are going to become even more self-sufficient so as not to waste the gil they need. There's going to be a lot of people flooding the markets and a lot less willing to buy what they're selling. Better to let people into the houses and charge rent.

Also, I don't blame you for not being interested in housing, but at the end of the day they did put the development time into this and because of their decision hardly anyone will get to use it. If it turns out to be a giant waste it's because of that decision they made, not because people wanted to build houses with their friends. That's why I personally have trouble accepting some of the arguments in defense of these prices.

Well another argument defending it would be that it's something to work for so people wont be able to buy it off the bat. In that sense one could even argue that it's not all that unaffordable. My main gripe is that I don't understand why so many people are so up in arms over the issue. Personal housing will be implemented as well in the game, don't know why they chose to do it second but still. Now if that's just as expensive then I might agree that there is a problem. Regardless I think it was a bad decision by SE. As for gil being fluctuated between players I'm not sure if that will get rid of the large amount on servers. So them spending the gil wont really be getting rid of it unless they are spending it on something that wont give it to another player.

Like the charging rent idea though, getting rid of the gil on a weekly basis would solve any inflation. SE implement Mortgages!!!

[Lingarn]

Housing is major focus of 2.1. So big they devoted an entire Live Letter to it. This is not some fluff.

They put a lot of work and development time into this, spent a lot of time building up peoples expectations only to lock most of us out behind a giant gil-wall. We care so much because for those of us who don't enjoy running the same dungeons over and over again to get the leetest gear this was the content that we've been most excited for, and now it might as well not exist.

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[AesirTyr]

Housing is major focus of 2.1. So big they devoted an entire Live Letter to it. This is not some fluff.

They put a lot of work and development time into this, spent a lot of time building up peoples expectations only to lock most of us out behind a giant gil-wall. We care so much because for those of us who don't enjoy running the same dungeons over and over again to get the leetest gear this was the content that we've been most excited for, and now it might as well not exist.

It's even more than that.

YoshiP wrote a forum post on the state of the economy and crafters. He said that they're aware that crafted gear is currently only useful for a small period of time, and the end game gear is not crafted, which means that crafters aren't particularly useful right now, except for a short period of time before players hit end game. He said they weren't going to forget about crafters, and would try to make sure that crafting would be useful.

He mentioned two ways that they were going to improve crafters' situation: PvP gear, and furniture for houses. So crafters were looking forward to housing because it was a way for them to be useful and contribute to their FCs and economy.

But now that housing is so expensive, very few people will be able to actually afford houses. So furniture isn't even going to be a viable market for crafters, because no one will have any use for furniture.

In other words, the primary method that they were going to keep crafting relevant is going to be dead on arrival.

Yes, lots of people are disappointed to not have the opportunity to buy houses. And they've completely undercut their attempt to help crafters stay relevant.

[Nica]

I don't know I don't get it, but that doesn't mean some people are blindly defending it.

quick, someone get this guy a doctor, he's been blinded by them shiny armors!

[Battlewrench]

quick, someone get this guy a doctor, he's been blinded by them shiny armors!

Ha, I'm not white knighting or care for the term even. In fact I wish they would of used the time that they spent on making housing into other content elsewhere, don't care for housing and think it's a bad decision since the game is lockout central with dailies popping up everywhere. I don't want content to be limited for me or anyone by saying after you've burned through your dailies and weekly content you have to wait till next week.

Side note I think the high price is also to control how many FC's own a house since there might be limited spaces.

[Beeraga]

Side note I think the high price is also to control how many FC's own a house since there might be limited spaces.

If this is the case, if content is being arbitrarily limited because SE is not reinvesting the money they received from a massively successful launch to support the content they create, well, then we are all being ripped off.

Having challenging content only the best of the best can beat is one thing. Limiting content because the provider is not providing enough capacity for it is unacceptable.

[Raikki]

How much for one of these?

[Slivpwns]

How much for one of these?

I LoLed at this for a few minutes. SE probably would charge 10mil on a legacy server for 1 room.

[Forestwanderer]

When are the releasing the Projects and Subsidized Housing? So we can worry about our new players getting into gangs and needing to be in before dark? Judging from the prices of the one bedroom shanty there are going to be a lot of FC needing the Subsidized housing option.