Thread: [Discussion] BiS WAR 2.1

Originally Posted by ZDamned

LOL!

+1 Weapon damage, +3 Strength and +4 Vitality, I'd use that any day over the Bravura Zenith.

That's 10~ points of strength worth of primary stat boost, and more Vitality. No reason to not use it, and you can trade out Accuracy elsewhere.... Such as the Mythology Chest piece.

Myth actually offers 10 less acc than the Heavy allagan, WAR are kind forced to have close to 500 Acc.

Originally Posted by ZDamned

Honestly, since it's the only iLvl 95 item in the game, I don't think anyone is going to disagree that the Battleaxe is anything short of BiS. Perhaps we should just focus on all other slots?

^^ This. Obviously the other weapon is better. Again, my concern is the armor, not the weapon.

Originally Posted by Gamemako

That was never really the point. Melded accessories offer you the highest mitigation, and also offer higher damage output and recovery from attack-based abilities (Bloodbath, Second Wind, Inner Beast) to boot. It would also let you progress more evenly since 3/5 BIS accessories are random drops and only accessible once you have a pretty high gear level. The enmity is there and all, but you never needed it at that gear level in the first place.

I have yet to see this actually proven in practice or theory adequately. And depending on your other gear it is debatable due to the value you must reach in str/dex to reach the next tier where you actually get any benefit at all. Depending on the rest of your armor you might not and it is all wasted.

Originally Posted by Eclipsed

I have yet to see this actually proven in practice or theory adequately.

STR tiers are believed to follow a 40/41 pattern, which means with 45 strength, you necessarily get a +1% strength tier. Tiers are at 364 and 405, and you would cross the 405 tier by wearing ilvl70 melded accessories. There are no known DEX or parry tiers, but if any such tiering effects exist, it is highly unlikely that DEX would not exceed a tier (being +45) and likely that parry lost would not exceed a tier (being -16). I have seen it suggested that DEX follows tiers in 40/41 pattern like STR, but I don't have any good data on that one way or the other. Regardless, the only way you could ever possibly not have greater mitigation is if blocking amount exceeds blocking rate, DEX and parry are tiered, and DEX does not meet a tier while parry does. That's a pretty farfetched scenario.

Originally Posted by Gamemako

STR tiers are believed to follow a 40/41 pattern, which means with 45 strength, you necessarily get a +1% strength tier. Tiers are at 364 and 405..

AFAIK, the whole "Tiers" thing has been debunked.

The whole theory about STR tiers for Parry was completely based on the "X% Parried" that pops up on your scrolling combat text when you get hit. Someone tested it with various amounts of STR, and concluded that STR's effect on Parry DR% is tiered.

However, they didn't take into account the likelihood that the "X% Parried" simply rounds the true amount parried to the nearest %. There is absolutely no conclusive evidence that STR's effect on Parry is tiered and there's no reason to believe that it isn't linear. Every other stat is linear and no other stat is tiered.

All we know is that 40-41 STR equates to ~1% Parry DR.

Originally Posted by Gamemako

Ha, you're totally right. For some reason, I looked at them and saw the same stats as the previous tier. Sort of a facepalm-worthy mistake, innit? Yeah, if you're prioritizing VIT over all else, then you'll want the Allagan axe. The feet also go back to Allagan, resulting in -31 parry and +4 VIT over the previous set. You'll have +18 ACC as well, which is meaningless when you're already at cap, but you maximized parry after VIT anyway.

Allagan Battleaxe
Allagan helm
Warrior chest
Warrior arms
Allagan belt
Warrior legs
Allagan feet
Allagan neck
Allagan ears
Hero wrists
Allagan ring
Hero ring



That was never really the point. Melded accessories offer you the highest mitigation, and also offer higher damage output and recovery from attack-based abilities (Bloodbath, Second Wind, Inner Beast) to boot. It would also let you progress more evenly since 3/5 BIS accessories are random drops and only accessible once you have a pretty high gear level. The enmity is there and all, but you never needed it at that gear level in the first place.

Since I don't have the WAR body yet (but have the other pieces for your BiS minus right side) I can't say if i prefer to lose on the dps stats over the VIT/Parry without testing them out. I know a MT's focus is suitability and holding aggro, but I'm a firm believer that there's a soft ceiling to effectively doing your job, and being able to do your job as well as put out numbers.

On that note; I've had great luck with my left side drops, but I've gotten only one right side, and it's the one piece not BiS for vit/parry maxing, which is part of the reason i got so interested in the crafted gears.

Secondly, using numbers i got from my DPS friend, the values of STR vs Crit on the allagan legs the crit comes out on top by a bit; wouldn't the allagan legs be a slight bit better than warrior?