Coil Turn 5 /weapon level 95 logic

[MMONSTER]

Maybe this has already been addressed and I missed it, but I fail to understand the logic behind the decision to only raise the item level of the weapons dropped in turn 5. It was explained that due to the extreme difficulty of Turn 5 the weapons would receive a slight buff, but by that logic why wouldn't the other gear that drops in the same turn that has to be achieved through the same difficulty, or are they at least planning to put those loot drops on other turns, for example BRD has a total of 4 items that can be dropped in turn 5, including the weapon, seems a little off balanced that you would have to beat turn 5 numerous times to get items that are only i90 and are not even BiS. Maybe someone can help explain this logic to me.

[Noroi_Kisaragi]

It's Square Enix.

[WiseWolfHolo]

It's Square Enix.

couldn't have said it better myself

[Lithera]

Yah it does seem a little silly though maybe they have a plan that they simply haven't talked about yet for the rest of the Turn 5 gear. We'll have to see. BiS is also relative btw. An armor slot where the myth tome gear and allagan gear simply swap say accuracy for skill speed would have the accuracy piece usually considered BiS but the right gear combination on say DRG can blow you past the Turn 5 accuracy cap making it arguably better to use the skill speed piece.

[Tenku]

Yah it does seem a little silly though maybe they have a plan that they simply haven't talked about yet for the rest of the Turn 5 gear. We'll have to see. BiS is also relative btw. An armor slot where the myth tome gear and allagan gear simply swap say accuracy for skill speed would have the accuracy piece usually considered BiS but the right gear combination on say DRG can blow you past the Turn 5 accuracy cap making it arguably better to use the skill speed piece.

I'm pretty sure SE has learned their lesson from FFXI. The relic +1 weapon will be used to obtain a weapon that's higher than ilvl 95 in the future which will probably be so difficult that you HAVE to have the Allagan weapon.

[MMONSTER]

I'm pretty sure SE has learned their lesson from FFXI. The relic +1 weapon will be used to obtain a weapon that's higher than ilvl 95 in the future which will probably be so difficult that you HAVE to have the Allagan weapon.

I understand needing the weapon for progression, but again, that doesn't explain why they don't move other drops to earlier turns or raise those items as well since the difficulty to obtain them is the same as the difficulty to obtain the weapon.

[Tenku]

I understand needing the weapon for progression, but again, that doesn't explain why they don't move other drops to earlier turns or raise those items as well since the difficulty to obtain them is the same as the difficulty to obtain the weapon.

Because there is no need to raise them since there is nothing harder than Coil Turn 5, even in 2.1. 2.1 is basically a catch-up patch that is filler content that fills in the gap between Titan HM and Coil. The only reason why they are upgrading the Allagan weapon is to make it so people will want to continue to do Turn 5, especially for those jobs where the Best in Slot are all AF+1 gears.

[Babydoll]

I'm pretty sure SE has learned their lesson from FFXI. The relic +1 weapon will be used to obtain a weapon that's higher than ilvl 95 in the future which will probably be so difficult that you HAVE to have the Allagan weapon.

Ya...plus they stated that in the future we will be upgrading relics into 'Legendary' weapons eventually.

[Tupsi]

I'm pretty sure SE has learned their lesson from FFXI. The relic +1 weapon will be used to obtain a weapon that's higher than ilvl 95 in the future which will probably be so difficult that you HAVE to have the Allagan weapon.

Yoshi didn't play XI and it's pretty apparent with some features missing from ARR's base version

The only way to explain this is beating Titan allows you to unlock also a ilvl 80 weapon which is upgradable to ilvl 90

But yes, Moogle should have been ilvl 70...

Actually, Moogle should be i80 considering the fight is much more difficult/complex (in a sense) than say Garuda. They came before in 1.0 but their weapons were actually better than a few Garuda weapons depending on your present setup. In ARR they also were better than Garuda's for many, so raising to i80 makes perfect sense, though I speak as a legacy player, I don't think Cerberus is a legacy world so you likely haven't gotten ARR experience with the weapon vs current primals (with I believe Titan's being better depending on your focus.)

[FMElan]

Relic Weapons are too common due to the number of people buying Titan wins. Since you just need to cap Mythology three times after that, you end up with a weapon that's just as good, if not slightly better than the weapons you get for completing the most difficult content in the game. With that in mind, Yoshida decided to give a slight boost to the Allagan Weapons to make them more relevant.

The rest of the armor doesn't really need upgrading, because the entire Tomestone system is in place to help players who got unlucky with the RNG in the final dungeon. Plus, the fact that you can only use Myth Armor on the Job of your choice, whereas Healers, Casters and Tanks can use the Allagan sets on both classes means they'll be relevant for longer.

So good king moogle mog is easier than titan hm (Yoshida puts it as above garuda hm in difficulty, but below titan hm), but gives a better weapon than titan hm?

Can someone explain this logic to me?

That one kinda gets me, too. Honestly, Titan's position in the entire Relic Quest is confusing to me. His weapons are almost entirely useless because they're one boss away from being replaced so what's the point, really? I'd much rather they gave out i70 Armor, instead. Especially since Tanks deserve at least one non-trashcan suit.