RMT Land Seizure Question

[ArkhamNative]

We can't know for sure, but SE has already shown what it will do in other situations:
- Player A crafts or gathers high-demand item and puts it up for sale.
- Player B presumably buys RMT gil and uses that to buy Player A's item from market board.
After a while of this, SE notices Player A's large amount of gil, declares it "dirty", and confiscates it all. Player B keeps the gear and keeps playing.
In short: don't expect "fair". Expect autocratic. Hope you don't get noticed.

[Gaddes]

We can't know for sure, but SE has already shown what it will do in other situations:
- Player A crafts or gathers high-demand item and puts it up for sale.
- Player B presumably buys RMT gil and uses that to buy Player A's item from market board.
After a while of this, SE notices Player A's large amount of gil, declares it "dirty", and confiscates it all. Player B keeps the gear and keeps playing.
In short: don't expect "fair". Expect autocratic. Hope you don't get noticed.

This is what I was wondering... what happens if you're person A and had some minor transactions that happened to unknowingly be from player B, and you donate 1 mil of your own gil towards a 300 mil housing? Does the entire house get nabbed by SE because of something you had no clue about?

[Cerulean79]

Focus on ths p.s. where i gave you the answer you was needing, and as i wrote already: pray no one bough from rmt, donating. Would be a shame losing millions of gil because one single guy ruined everything huh?

Peace

Exactly. I never heard of a company punishing a whole group of paying costumers because one bad apple broke the rules. What are they going to do next wipe out every players account who sold stuff on the market board if it was purchased by someone who had been involved with RMT?

IMO this whole housing thing is being done very poorly. Having a huge capital investment that you can't take with you if you move one is just silly. The cost should be in the upkeep/maintenance of the housing so it's costs are a weekly fee so you only pay for your time in the FC be it one year or one month.

[Welsper59]

Exactly. I never heard of a company punishing a whole group of paying costumers because one bad apple broke the rules. What are they going to do next wipe out every players account who sold stuff on the market board if it was purchased by someone who had been involved with RMT?

IMO this whole housing thing is being done very poorly. Having a huge capital investment that you can't take with you if you move one is just silly. The cost should be in the upkeep/maintenance of the housing so it's costs are a weekly fee so you only pay for your time in the FC be it one year or one month.

I'm pretty sure they wanted to give it that small sense of realism. Ever looked into owning your own property/plot of land? It's usually the most expensive part of owning a house.

Like most anything in video games, new things are usually not intended to be "given" to everyone. Only those who worked towards it (with enough effort or by satisfactory requirements) can obtain them first. I know my FC isn't gonna be able to afford housing for a good long while. Doesn't bother me at all though.

[Alhanelem]

They are capable of tracing from where gil was obtained. I don't think this will be a major issue for the most part, however I do share the concern about free companies with members that might be buying gil without the rest of the company knowing. Simply taking the house away would screw a lot of people for the actions of one or two, so this type of matter will need to be handled delicately.

[Lafiele]

Just a question related to this warning posted on the patch notes:

* Purchasing land or housing using gil obtained from RMT (real money trading) or other illicit means is strictily prohibited. Any land or estate hall deemed to have been purchased through such means is subject to seizure.

I hope all these are legitimate questions and i don't get trolled off the forum by the regular QQer's and people who don't read well.

My logic would dictate that if a large sum of the gil used to purchase housing is from RMT, then it's raising a lot of flags. If let's say 1 % of it was RMT then they'll probably shake it off as inevitable. It depends how the gil gets in hand as well.

Questions such as was the gil transferred from another person to person to market board to person to fc bank or direct from a gil seller to person to fc bank are probably looked at.

[Astarica]

The cynical view would be this is a trap to just seize people's house whenever they want. Tracing RMT money is basically impossible because it's the same issue as money laundering. Let's say I buy 100M from RMT. I put 5M in guild bank. I buy 9999 Fire shards for 200K, a Vanya Hat for 1.5M, and so on. The guy who sold the Vanya Hat probably then put that money to buy more stuff, and probably some of it into buying a house as well. Before you know it, everyone's got this tainted money. Sure, it's easy to notice the first step where I bought 100M from a RMT, but what about the guy who sold me a Vanya Hat for 1.5M? You can argue no one would pay that much for it, but who are you to tell me what I do with my money? What if I'm just clueless and don't care about massively overpaying because I just bought 100M? Or is that guy selling the Vanya Hat someone I know to make the money look legit? You can't possibly sort this stuff out.