New Live Letter: YoshiP Comments on Housing Prices

[LiadansWhisper]

Housing is an investment. It does not hinder you to be without it, it only gives you something to work towards. Every week(?), prices drop on land that has not been purchased.

I think it's safe to assume that with the increase in gil rewards from combat leves, daily quests, new content, and having an actual amount of gil to aim for, that 9 month predicted wait is going to drop SIGNIFICANTLY. And mind you, this is ignoring the significant price drops as time goes on.

This only works if you have a reachable goal. As it stands, housing isn't reachable for a lot of people on legacy servers. That's the issue. I'm sorry that you can't see that.

[Ferth]

Housing is an investment. It does not hinder you to be without it, it only gives you something to work towards. Every week(?), prices drop on land that has not been purchased.

I think it's safe to assume that with the increase in gil rewards from combat leves, daily quests, new content, and having an actual amount of gil to aim for, that 9 month predicted wait is going to drop SIGNIFICANTLY. And mind you, this is ignoring the significant price drops as time goes on.

An investment implies returns. You don't invest money in something that won't yield more than you put in. There are no returns in this housing system. You can't even resell the land if you change your mind. This is a big bonfire to throw your money into. Throw enough in and you get a novelty gift.

Furthermore no one seems to have commented on the fact that I they increase the amount of Gil that can be produced via content, i.e. money being added to the economy rather than circulating through the economy, then this patch is really just allowing rmt to earn that much more money as well.

In all honesty square needs to hire an economist to point out how massively stupid this system is. Because they clearly have no concept of how economies actually function.

[Lexxuk]

The forums attract a certain kind of player which most likely does not mirror the total population that plays the game.

That is irrelevant, statistics are fun because they even everything out in unusual ways. Let's have some fun! You're in school (not you obviously, you seem more mature than a typical schooler) and in your class is 23 people. How many people share the same birthday?

Well, there are 365 days in a year, so you'd think that statistically, it would be unlikely for any two people in that class to have the same birthday, right? Maths time!




As you can plainly see, with 23 people in that class the odds of two people sharing the same birthday is greater than 50% (obviously it's not 100% and can't be unless there are 365 people in the class, though getting 365 people into a 5th class small.... that's 40,000,000 gil please)

Statistics are weird, and wonderful, there isn't a certain type of people that visits them, scroll back a few pages and you'll find a grandmother posting, the person posting above me may have a Phd in Theoretical Drama, it should be a nice cross section of the population at large, sure, it's the vocal population but statistics show that statistically, statistics are something, maybe.

[Nanaya]

I think I'd rather just wait for personal housing, if it's going to take over half a year to accrue funds if you are not in an FC with heads amounting in the triple digits. At least then I would have control over the design decisions and things of that nature.

Although when you get down to it, more than anything, my schadenfreude really wants to see this blow up in Square's face. I am well aware I am a terrible person.

[Silversnow]

Ignoring the mathematical specifics... it seems the intent is that it will take a FC three months of continuous gil farming at 100 percent to afford a house.

Nah. Intent is to suck out the massive gil reserves with gil farming and market to cover the remainder of the price. While I wince a bit at the prices for small/medium plots the prices are at least within reach of the general player.

That whole 20k a day x members figure people are using to justify their rage really needs to go die in a fire as it's the stupidest calculation ever. Considering not everyone will even want a house you can also extract that daily 20k each from other players through the market. 20k is how much a bump on a log can generate for a FC.

If people really want to generate their housing using the slowest way possible that's on them but it's like trying to build a house using a rock to pound in the nails instead of a hammer or nail gun. You could... but why?

[Saevel]

(...)the increase in gil rewards from combat leves, daily quests, new content(...)

I'm not implying that you are making this argument, but I keep seeing this in other posts as a justification or explanation of the exorbitant housing fees.

My question is this: If the housing fees are structured in a way to remove large amounts of Gil from the economy, and housing is the only significant expense in the game, then why would they add in means to accumulate more Gil faster? Why increase the inflows and outflows, rather than make the housing costs reasonable in the first place?

[myahele]

Well this is disappointing. As of now FCs/ guilds don't serve too much of a role im game. With most main scenario quests being solo and not having a FC HQ its hard to build a lasting community.

[Scarletyoshi]

Oh really? I must have missed that part. Cause all I see here are people who refuse to settle for anything less than the best and biggest houses and would rather whine and wait months instead of getting a smaller one.

Two points.



A) Small houses are barely bigger than a personal inn room. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsMjI....be&t=1h26m26s A FC of more than 10 people purchasing a small plot (on which you can ONLY build a small house) would be doing so for their FC leadership to enjoy, because no one else would fit.

B) Given that, the prices for such a small amount of space are unreasonable as well, even when split among a more realistic 2-6 people. Especially on Legacy servers that have to pay 10x the price but make the same 20k a day (post patch Yoshi-P estimates) as everyone else.

This is not about wanting the biggest and best on day one for free. We just want it to be reasonable. Maybe you can look at that video and say 20-40 million gil* is OK, but I can not.

*10-20 million if you wait 3 months AND no one buys it before you, keep in mind any new plots released afterward would start at the highest price.

[ChiefCurrahee]

Even the Japanese are Freaking out about the High Prices. This is not a cultural thing.

Meanwhile, the Japanese themselves are throwing a fit over these shit prices.
It's not just us, everyone thinks this thing friggin' retarded.

Hey look at the cultural expert! Its a Japanese thing! From someone who has no idea what the Japanese players are doing or saying.
and what's this? You're being patronizing about it too?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-in-agreement.

I think you are confusing Japanese players with ants. This is a video game sold all over the world, we can leave out made up stereotypes.

First of all you all need to learn how to read.

I never said that players were fine with this, JP or otherwise. I said the DEVELOPERS will DEVELOP content with COLLECTIVE ideals, simply because that's the foundation their culture is based on.

I think the prices are too high especially on the legacy worlds. But I'm not surprised by the lofty amounts simple because of the collective nature of Japanese culture. That doesn't mean everyone has to be happy with it.

[Black91CRX]

FC housing should have been bought using FC points instead of gil.