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    Taneshima Popura
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    *Swings own Allagan Battleaxe*

    On a serious note. If there was a progression that put's my survivability in question I WILL downgrade that Allagan Battleaxe to Dual Harken. +1 WPN DMG +3 Str is good for threat, but very bad in the respect to mitigation. People need to get out of their head that higher ilvl = automatic better/BiS, I knew the ilvl 90 Axe was going to be good, but I was expecting Acc/Crit not Acc/Par which is the perfect stat needed by warriors.

    Just as much as a time when Pentamelded Gryphonskin will fall out of grace being BiS due to harder hitting content. Allagan Battleaxe will fall out of grace being the BiS just cause it doesn't have the essential mitigation stats.

    On the flip side it does seem that the alternate set for Paladin is more DPS orientated, just like how Allagan Battleaxe is for Warriors.
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    Last edited by TaneshimaPopura; 12-17-2013 at 03:24 AM.

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    I am guessing it is a quest to obtain the Axe?
    I tohught it would be a drop.
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    Traek Darksoul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiron View Post
    I am guessing it is a quest to obtain the Axe?
    I tohught it would be a drop.
    Sounds like each EM primal drops an item that you turn in for the weapon. Not sure if that means it'll be a quest, though I personally think it will be since it seems to be SE's track record.

    I'm not sure why Allagan is being regarded as BiS, I think its very arguable that in most MT situations our new axe will be BiS.
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    I hope the quest allows the player to pick a weapon. I'd really like WAR GA but will surely be stuck on PLD for extremes.
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    I believe Allagan axe affords more vitality/wpndmg/strength than the Dual Harken.
    The extra 3 vitality, even if small, would be more beneficial given that Parry is an inconsistent effect that only works on Physical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiron View Post
    I believe Allagan axe affords more vitality/wpndmg/strength than the Dual Harken.
    The extra 3 vitality, even if small, would be more beneficial given that Parry is an inconsistent effect that only works on Physical.
    I didn't think of the vitality, derp, you are right. I still think the difference will be miniscule at best in the overall grand scheme, but I can see the argument for Allagan slightly edging out considering the VIT, definitely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traek View Post
    I didn't think of the vitality, derp, you are right. I still think the difference will be miniscule at best in the overall grand scheme, but I can see the argument for Allagan slightly edging out considering the VIT, definitely.
    I haven't looked at BiS when using the Dual Hakken but its also entirely possible that we can itemize less ACC on other gear and gain those stats back if not more. Totally theoretical suggestion on my part, just pointing out that Dual Hakken could also change what other items are BiS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiron View Post
    I believe Allagan axe affords more vitality/wpndmg/strength than the Dual Harken.
    The extra 3 vitality, even if small, would be more beneficial given that Parry is an inconsistent effect that only works on Physical.
    It's actually 4 VIT, but still, how can you justify taking a weapon with a few higher stat points 1 higher weapon damage and little mitigation potential over a weapon that's clearly designed as a tanking weapon? It doesn't matter if Parry is random, it's one of the main WAR mitigation stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrial View Post
    It's actually 4 VIT, but still, how can you justify taking a weapon with a few higher stat points 1 higher weapon damage and little mitigation potential over a weapon that's clearly designed as a tanking weapon? It doesn't matter if Parry is random, it's one of the main WAR mitigation stats.
    They are both aimed at tanks.
    They provide a massive amount of vitality, but one offers parry instead of skill speed.

    Vitality is one of the main mitigation stats for a Tank and is arguably the most important one.
    Parry does not offer much mitigation, and as I stated earlier, only function on physical.
    Vitality functions for EVERYTHING and should be prioritized over Parry.

    You'll be better off as a tank going for the extra vitality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiron View Post
    They are both aimed at tanks.
    They provide a massive amount of vitality, but one offers parry instead of skill speed.

    Vitality is one of the main mitigation stats for a Tank and is arguably the most important one.
    Parry does not offer much mitigation, and as I stated earlier, only function on physical.
    Vitality functions for EVERYTHING and should be prioritized over Parry.

    You'll be better off as a tank going for the extra vitality.
    Not true. Even with partial i90 gear you're still looking at 8k+ HP with food, party buff and Defiance up. You can sacrifice a few VIT to get increased defensive stats.
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