The nerf people are overlooking

[Defmetal]

This is a nerf, for better or worse, and I'm not sure if it's good, at least being added this late in the game.

The Primals and dungeons now have requirements.

An ilvl requirement of 57 to battle Titan hard.

Now, speaking as someone who started 2.0 in full DL, and have full DL on all 9 jobs, + all relics, + full level 90 on Paladin and Warrior, I know gear isn't hard to get.

However, for most of my RL friends, including my GF, the second they hit 50, I had them get their relic like 2 hours later by carrying them through titan (in Lan party fashion). This is no longer doable because to get ilvl 57 average requires:

Full AK gear assuming no primal weapon. All buyable gear is lvl 55 (unless you're talking a semi-rich player here, but we're assuming average player can reach here). So full militia is 55, + GC weapon is 55. One ifrit weapon wouldn't push you to 57, in fact you'd still be 55.3. Having a Garuda weapon would still only bring you to 56.4

[meJojo]

They're not supposed to get carried.

[MiNuN]

They're not supposed to get carried.

One of the ways of playing this game is with friends and family, there is nothing wrong with being carried by people you play with.

[Velox]

One of the ways of playing this game is with friends and family, there is nothing wrong with being carried by people you play with.

It's a double-edged sword, so to speak. There's no doubt it's nice to help people, especially friends and family. However, when you carry someone, they don't truly learn anything, and thus, become a liability in harder content because they just don't have the experience. Of course one can argue about latency and lag and blah blah blah, which I admit, is a huge problem. In such circumstances, no one should be punished from progressing due to SE dropping the ball. However, assuming SE fixes these issues, it becomes a moot point.

If someone else did your homework back in school, did that not count as cheating? Why? Because you didn't learn anything and found a way around the system.

[Estellios]

It's a double-edged sword, so to speak. There's no doubt it's nice to help people, especially friends and family. However, when you carry someone, they don't truly learn anything, and thus, become a liability in harder content because they just don't have the experience.

Exactly. Why the hell are you trying to get a Relic unprepared when the very content that requires it needs you to be prepared.

I love love love helping my FC members progress and they all are very eager to help each other. The thing is that everyone is willing to put in the effort to make sure they are geared well enough for things to go smoothly and to ensure that they are not a burden.

It's seriously the least you can do and is really just about respect for others involved.

Spending an entire fight dead or otherwise unable to contribute in any significant matter isn't fun and just sours the satisfaction you would get from completing something your first time. It doesn't prepare you for anything in the future. Even for a casual player (of which we have many) it doesn't take long at all to get the mix of AK+DL gear that would be needed to fulfill the iL requirement.

[Galactimus]

In a few AK or WP or (enter anything level 50 related here) runs they can afford (level 70) Darklight pieces. Heck, by the time you finish the story you can almost afford a piece. Your Relic requires Philosophy Tomestones to acquire to begin with. You shouldn't even be looking at Titan until you've farmed some Philosophy Tomes.

Not to mention almost everything you do in 2.1 seems like it'll drop Tomes.

[Ronzeru]

We can't carry people anymore? Ah, shucks, geegollywiz. Guess they'll have to wait until they are geared a bit more before they get into those runs. =/

[Kairgon]

I think it will be only requirement if you're soloing and que for duty finder. Unless you're goin with premade, there shouldn't be requirement... At least I think? We'll about find out.

[Yoruichi4478]

The way it worked in Tera was if you df'd for content you had to meet the iLvl requirements for the dungeons u qued up for because you didn't meet the required iLvl number you couldn't add a dungeon to your selection que because it would be greyed out until you did meet the iLvl for it, but if you went with a premade you didn't have to meet iLvl requirements because you entered the dungeon with a premade and directly at the dungeon's entrance. Perhaps it will be like that here.

[Flionheart]

Thank god, less spastics in my DF runs.