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  1. #11
    Player
    Kinseykinz's Avatar
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    Isagael Rose
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    Sagittarius
    Main Class
    Botanist Lv 100
    Well First off, they have to hit us...so as long as you stay out of their range, you will be able to cast. (So basically other mages and bards are your issue).

    Secondly, we mages have, binding spells/knockback spells/sleep spells and gravity spells that make it easier for us to keep our distance from foes.

    We also have Swiftcast/Surecast abilities and instant spells

    WHM's have Benediction
    SCH's/SMN's have pets that do their own thing and will need to be dealt with by the opposing party

    WE have Shield-skills that protect us from damage Manawall/Ward/Stoneskin etc (Not sure If SS will keep our spells from getting interrupted but if it does )

    Lastly, this isn't a 1:1 thing. There are 3 other people in your party they need to deal with...and nothing was said about Raise not working in PvP battle.

    I see this as a 'bring it on' thing...not a 'oh we're screwed' thing.
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  2. #12
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    Enkidoh's Avatar
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    Enkidoh Roux
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    Considering this is meant to be team-based, it's likely SE are expecting players who use mage jobs in PvP is to think like a regular PvE party instead of e-peeing themselves as invincible and can fight anything - in other words, have the tank in the party distract the opposing team to allow the mage to cast unhindered. This isn't going to be a 1 on 1 duel when you just trade blows you know. And yes, a little common sense could see without some kind of check how ridiculously overpowered BLM could be in PvP.
    (4)
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    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

  3. #13
    Player Noroi_Kisaragi's Avatar
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    Noroi Kisaragi
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    Hyperion
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    Pugilist Lv 65
    Er....not only is there a PVP skill that gives you a guaranteed non-cancellable cast, now you have a use for [Surecast].

    Thats two options. If someones attacking you, pop Surecast and cast sleep on them. If they cancel sleep use your other pvp skill and cast sleep on them AGAIN.

    once they're down pull back and let the tank steal aggro.
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  4. #14
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    Zero Six
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Noroi_Kisaragi View Post
    Er....not only is there a PVP skill that gives you a guaranteed non-cancellable cast, now you have a use for [Surecast].

    Thats two options. If someones attacking you, pop Surecast and cast sleep on them. If they cancel sleep use your other pvp skill and cast sleep on them AGAIN.

    once they're down pull back and let the tank steal aggro.
    The only people who will be bashing on tanks are bads who do not know how to pvp. The only way this would be viable is if tanks could force players to attack only them for a few seconds with taunt, or taunt would make enemies drop target.
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  5. #15
    Player Noroi_Kisaragi's Avatar
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    Noroi Kisaragi
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh Meat View Post
    The only people who will be bashing on tanks are bads who do not know how to pvp. The only way this would be viable is if tanks could force players to attack only them for a few seconds with taunt, or taunt would make enemies drop target.
    Yes, tanks can force you to engage them. You can see it in the 2.1 trailer right here.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_aliYN8hNk&t=1m30s
    Watch the chain. Additionally to that, provoke works in pvp as well (at least it did in the beta)

    Casters will be just fine. Also I posted caster pvp abilities in a seperate thread if you wish to continue that discussion.
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    Last edited by Noroi_Kisaragi; 12-16-2013 at 06:42 PM.

  6. #16
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    Marxam's Avatar
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    Blackiron Tarkus
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 90
    Turn-based PvP is probably the worst idea SE has made since they started adding "-2" to the end of FF games.
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  7. #17
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    Elvin's Avatar
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    Elvin Rath
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    Moogle
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    Alchemist Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Noroi_Kisaragi View Post
    Er....not only is there a PVP skill that gives you a guaranteed non-cancellable cast, now you have a use for [Surecast].

    Thats two options. If someones attacking you, pop Surecast and cast sleep on them. If they cancel sleep use your other pvp skill and cast sleep on them AGAIN.

    once they're down pull back and let the tank steal aggro.


    Whaaaaaat? Aggro? Are you kidding me? Wich aggro are you talking about? :P
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  8. #18
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    meldon90's Avatar
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    Eien Lightspark
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 63
    Black Mages complaining for some little nerf, Jesus Christ, is like seeing Bill Gates complaining because he lost one buck on the street... ridicolous, your class was so damn strong and it will still be. Chill out.
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  9. #19
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    Character
    Olan Durai
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Goldsmith Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvin View Post
    Whaaaaaat? Aggro? Are you kidding me? Wich aggro are you talking about? :P
    I often hear people talk about PvP as if there's some way you're supposed to actually get a non braindead player to turn around and hit a guy that does 1/3 the damage of a DPS and is 3 times harder to kill. I'm still trying to figure out how that works.
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  10. #20
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    Indira Cliodhna
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    Sargatanas
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    OP has no idea how OP WHM and BLM were in the pvp beta test.
    PVE and PVP should be 100% different from each job and should have its own stats and starts everyone on the same level. thats there problem. knowing SE PVP will be horrible for the next 10 years.
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