2.1 Limit Break Adjustment for Parties

[Sliff]

"When multiple characters are playing the same class/job in a party, the gauge for level 2 and level 3 limit breaks will now fill more slowly than before."

This has got to be one of the biggest (and questionable) changes in 2.1 which I don't understand. I have a static coil team (PLD, WAR, WHM, SCH, DRG, BLM, 2 x BRD formation), and I can't help but worry about how much this change will affect us. Can we have more information on this new adjustment? How much slower will the limit break gauge fill now?

My suggestion - Instead of penalizing teams with duplicate characters, give a buff to unique team formations instead. The players should be given the liberty to decide what characters they wish to play.

[Ri_ri]

I'm afraid of suddenly not being able to do Coil because of some nerfs.

SMN nerf - damage loss for Dreadnoughts.
WHM nerf - less damage for the Bugs.
Limit break nerf - every team needs LB. T2 is kind of obnoxious without two bards.
BRD nerf - self explainatory.
Virus nerf - stuff in Coil hits hard enough even with Virus.

People loved to say that Coil is doable with DL, and that CT lockouts didn't hurt anyone, but with all those nerfs I'm not so sure.

[Vmage]

I'm afraid of suddenly not being able to do Coil because of some nerfs.

I'd absolutely love it if coil was made harder, here's hoping you're right.

[MaiyaBeaumont]

What happens when your group has 2 PLD's and 2 BRDs??? Does this make it even slower???? I would love to know.

[Zezlar]

I actually like the change to be honest. One concept i've been extremely tired of since 1.0 is class stacking. Jobs can compliment each other, and this idea that we need to bring 2x blm or 2x brd all the time needs to go away.

[Sliff]

I actually like the change to be honest. One concept i've been extremely tired of since 1.0 is class stacking. Jobs can compliment each other, and this idea that we need to bring 2x blm or 2x brd all the time needs to go away.

Jobs can compliment each other and every class definitely can find a way to manage most situations. For eg, T2 lots of people prefer to go 2 x BRD for easy silencing of High Voltage. But a PLD (or even a monk and scholar) can do the same too. Not the most favorable but definitely viable. The main question is why are we being "punished" for playing the characters we wish to play?

[Obysuca]

and this idea that we need to bring 2x blm or 2x brd all the time needs to go away.

Plus side, less chance of competing for gear with someone of your job (specifically as blm, because let's be honest, when has anyone ever actually wanted smn for anything), downside, slow lb lol

[ReithDynamis]

I'm fine with change. Face it, too many parties would neglect someone simply cause they weren't a job they could stack such as Bard or Paladin. This left alot of jobs pigeon-holed. This change is SE's answer, now to you and others may agree its subjectively the wrong answer. You do realize from the get go the vision for FFXIV was party diversification, they didn't create jobs simply so they could be sidelined...

[Naunet]

Face it, too many parties would neglect someone simply cause they weren't a job they could stack such as Bard or Paladin. This left alot of jobs pigeon-holed. This change is SE's answer, now to you and others may agree its subjectively the wrong answer. You do realize from the get go the vision for FFXIV was party diversification, they didn't create jobs simply so they could be sidelined...

What about the static groups who have doubles of things because that's what our members want to play? It's got nothng to do with deliberately side-lining people and everything to do with wanting to encourage folk to play what they want. If that means we bring 2 PLDs or 2 BLMs or 2 MNKs or 2 BRDs (all things we do regularly), then that's what we do. The LB change is ridiculous and depending on the severity of the nerf could seriously hinder a party's ability to complete content.

Bring the player, not the class. We shouldn't be forced to bring one of everything to ensure optimal use of LB.

[Sliff]

With all the nerfs and buffs (war, drg, mnk, sch are getting tremendous buffs) going on, it remains to see if all things will balance out. But I just can't fathom this limit break nerf on non-unique party formations. Why can't we just play whatever character we wish and not get penalized for it? I understand that SE is encouraging more diversity in party formations but aren't there other ways around it? For me, buffing parties w non-duplicate set-ups would be much more acceptable~