Thread: 2.1 Limit Break Adjustment for Parties

I really don't get why the Limit Break gauge was adjusted. Is there really a point to penalize people for that?

I can understand their concern about class stacking. It's to prevent having 2 Paladins, 2 Warriors, 2 Bards, 2 BLMs, etc.

For healers, it's not a big deal. In any content that matters you generally see groups running with WHM/SCH.

Tanks is another story. You often only see double paladin as of 2.0. With the 2.1 changes, Warrior got a huge boost not only in tanking capability, but they got BRD's RoD debuff AND can increase slashing damage. You want to take a Warrior for variety.

DPS is hit or miss. It shouldn't be hard to find varied DPS in the game for coil groups. It sucks for premades that already ran dual bard or dual blackmage, but I can see WHY SE wanted more variance in the parties. Bringing only 1 melee sucks, there should be incentive to have both Monk and Dragoon in a party. That's just my thought on it though.

I do feel, however, that instead of NERFING Limit Break guage, they should INCREASE the Full Party stat bonuses a group gets if it's completely varied. Boost how much STR, DEX, MND, INT, and PIE a group gets if everyone's a different class. Bam. Not only are you not screwed in Twintania limit break building, and not only do you have classes that can completely support one another, but your stats are increased. I'm not saying it has to be a huge increase, but any increase is a good increase.

You mean, they indirectly made Coil a little harder if you rely on class stacking? Yoshida has always been against the stacking of classes and this goes back to 1.0 when it happened in most end game content (mass of BLMs in Ifrit for example).

Now, you are encouraged to actually make use of a Paladin + Warrior, rather than 2 Paladin or 2 Warrior. 2 Bards is also something you should do with caution. I expect a reasoning behind this is to give a good reason for players to let others play jobs they want to play, rather than forcing them to play a specific job so that they can actually do content. They could have provided bonuses for mixed party setups, but then the balance would come with a reduced amount of that stat bonus you get in other situations. All this really means is that, if you want to class stack, you should be prepared enough that you cannot rely on having the LB available - it's a crutch action, not something to always utilize.

I say this knowing that it will also affect my own Coil group; we often use 2 BRDs, and also have 2 of us on DRG (because we like to play the jobs we want to rather than what works the best).

I just like that the best way to fill your LB gauge is to play like shit and almost let people die.

Originally Posted by ReithDynamis

Face it, too many parties would neglect someone simply cause they weren't a job they could stack such as Bard or Paladin. This left alot of jobs pigeon-holed. This change is SE's answer, now to you and others may agree its subjectively the wrong answer. You do realize from the get go the vision for FFXIV was party diversification, they didn't create jobs simply so they could be sidelined...

What about the static groups who have doubles of things because that's what our members want to play? It's got nothng to do with deliberately side-lining people and everything to do with wanting to encourage folk to play what they want. If that means we bring 2 PLDs or 2 BLMs or 2 MNKs or 2 BRDs (all things we do regularly), then that's what we do. The LB change is ridiculous and depending on the severity of the nerf could seriously hinder a party's ability to complete content.

Bring the player, not the class. We shouldn't be forced to bring one of everything to ensure optimal use of LB.

im 99.99% sure that no one will even notice the difference with only 2 duplicate classes.
IF you go with 4 of the same class then you'll notice something.
He said slower, slower can mean 0.5% slower or 50% slower, so hold your horses before complaning.

I think they're trying to combat the issue that not every job can compliment each other when double stacked.

Barb + Bard = Easier silence / more songs
Black Mage + Black Mage = Massive AoE / Burst Damage

Other classes when stacked together don't give such a strong advantage. (Enlighten me if they do)
Now there's a choice to make. If you want to double stack classes then your limit break charges slower.
Pros and cons for everything!