So.. who's leveling a SCH?

[Velox]

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Exactly. Plus remember that bards have to gimp their DPS to carry WHMs, while they can save ballad longer with SCH since they can micromanage their own MP for quite some time. This, in turn, increases party efficiency by maximizing DPS.

Really, I'm fine with the WHM nerfs. Do I think some of them were unneeded? Yes, but I can adjust.

All I ask for is a little better MP management.
-Scale SoS bases on mind
Or
-decrease SoS cool down

If SE really doesn't want to touch SoS, then please give WHM Blissful Mind back from 1.0

[sharazisspecial]

Exactly. Plus remember that bards have to gimp their DPS to carry WHMs, while they can save ballad longer with SCH since they can micromanage their own MP for quite some time. This, in turn, increases party efficiency by maximizing DPS.

Really, I'm fine with the WHM nerfs. Do I think some of them were unneeded? Yes, but I can adjust.

All I ask for is a little better MP management.
-Scale SoS bases on mind
Or
-decrease SoS cool down

If SE really doesn't want to touch SoS, then please give WHM Blissful Mind back from 1.0

Bard can also Foe Requiem if they don't need to use ballad. Increasing all damage from discipline of magic classes by 10% or 20% at no penalty to the bard.

Although a whm can't really spam their spells/raise like scholar can afford too. As your gear gets better you have much less mana problems.

[KahnMeido]

Anyone who is actually good at the game would tell you that WHM would trade medica 2 for sch's succor in a heart beat.
They will be using it more then whm will be using the nerfed medica 2 , thats for sure.

All these baby scholars downplaying lustrate is hilarious.

People who downplay lustrate obviously don't use embrace physik and lustrate at once....This is whay annoys me. Benediction is a subpar heal when you factor in the 5 min cd in comparison of being able to do that 3 times every minute indefinitely. I get to use my oh crap what? once on fights that go around 9 mins, sometimes earlier if i hit it early but then, im out of ammo for 5 minutes. Hamsteak is obviously talking out of his arse and has no idea how having a half a minute regen will effect our healing output...why? because of a 2 yalm increase on an ability that never hits anyone? you may as well just medica twice now instead

[Wolf_Gang]

Anyone who is actually good at the game would tell you that WHM would trade medica 2 for sch's succor in a heart beat.

Succor's true viability only complements medica II not replace it.
It's Adloquium effect doesn't stack, it doesn't overwrite and it doesn't have the double crit bonus of it's single target counterpart. Our role in AOE healing remains the same and stacking SCH + SCH for raid groups isn't any more lucrative in 2.1 than it is now.

SCH aren't downplaying the changes, you WHMs are over-reacting.
We know the reality of the situation: nothing changes. Raids groups are still going to demand SCH + WHM, SCH will remain main tank healer, and WHM will still be the go to AOE healer.
Your role in a group hasn't changed. The demand for your class won't change. It will be business as usual come Tues.

But if you want to re-roll SCH because your class is no longer flavor of the month, then w/e.

And this is coming from a SCH who has single healed Titan, have done WP in under 20 mins and downed turn5.

[Eriane]

i know it will be 50 potency, my point is that even with the "nerf" it will still outheal eos' whispering dawn on an equally geared scholar not only because of the up front heal but because it ticks longer

at any rate none of the changes to white mage or scholar will be particularly noticeable (except for the fairy fix), whereas the virus and RoD changes will be

Whispering dawn will tick for 21 secs, even if you say it is less potent how does it not out heal medica 2 after factoring in rouse which adds 40%. Tested it today and rouse/whispering dawn ticks for more than my divine seal/medica 2 ticks for. Even with the initial heal the fairy aoe is very strong, free and succor should be considered, since more than likely the sch will succor at the same time they pop the aoe heal for maximum effect.

[KahnMeido]

Whispering dawn will tick for 21 secs, even if you say it is less potent how does it not out heal medica 2 after factoring in rouse which adds 40%. Tested it today and rouse/whispering dawn ticks for more than my divine seal/medica 2 ticks for. Even with the initial heal the fairy aoe is very strong, free and succor should be considered, since more than likely the sch will succor at the same time they pop the aoe heal for maximum effect.

pretty much this, and the lustrate buff is pretty large...even if you dont think its large an extra 2-300 hp from lustrate on a war per se is pretty big

[Madoka]

A SCH shouldn't be using Lustrate without a reason. It's always better to Soil and energy drain with it. In most "ohshit" cases where you want to use Lustrate you should only use it once, and honestly if things get that bad you're probably going to wipe anyway.

Lustrate isn't free 60/75% healing every minute, it's "oh crap Caduceus got a crit, time to soil, lustrate, swift adlo and physick and hope he doesn't crit again"

Also for more end game raid content you should be getting proficient at using Selene. Even if you aren't silencing her haste-like abilities are a far bigger help to dps than Eos's aggro grabbing regen.

[Bellybell]

why almost all SCH so fixated about Lustrate buffed is the cause WHM grieving when it's not?
SCH buffs did NOTHING for this to happen, it's all about the nerfs

and, no, throwing out MORE spells to compensate the loss of MedII's regen effect is not a solution
I thinks that example itself is explain the state of 2.1 MedicaII

[Bije]

There are few scenarios where Soil out does Lustrate. On a Warrior after 2.1, Lustrate is going to be an insta-2k heal. Soil will need to modify 20k damage to equal that in terms of pure mitigation. Lustrate is a part of SCH healing, and needs to be managed appropriately. If you are 1. using Aetherflow stacks for Energy Drain, and 2. only using Lustrate as an "oh crap" button, then you are being horribly inefficient with your healing.

Not saying you can't do it that way, since I'm sure I'm about to hear the retort about what content you've healed, but it's far from ideal. Your Caduceus example, also, is a horrible example of how to heal on a SCH. Skip the soil, double Lustrate (around an Adlo if you are that concerned). Cad won't be throwing down enough damage in the next 15 seconds for Soil to outweigh the Lustrate heal.

[Madoka]

Medica 2 before - Aggro ripper, mostly overhealed and wasted healing
Medica 2 now - Far less Aggro generated, same healing, less chances of overhealing and wasted healing since it lasts longer with lets ticks per go.

You didn't lose any regen effect, it just trickles in slower and they made Cure 3 less crap so you can actually use it. It's more efficient than two medicas even without the procs. SCH cannot AoE heal the way you do and you changing to SCH won't make you a better healer.

Cad won't be throwing down enough damage in the next 15 seconds for Soil to outweigh the Lustrate heal.

That really depends on his stacks, as a Soil when the tank is out of CDs can mean another 10 seconds of the tank not dying. Cad is also a good example of spike damage., after you blow your aether you can't lustrate again until aetherflow is off CD. WHM can do heavier heals with cure II when needed and have less need of something like lustrate, which is why benediction is on a 5m CD.

It's good to keep soil up frequently, but you don't want it on CD when the spike damage is coming either