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    Craiger's Avatar
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    Atiqa Craiger
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    DPS standings post 2.1

    Just wanted to ask you guys about the overall nerfs/buffs to DD's

    How do you think the dps ranking will be after 2.1 ? And is there any job that will fall off ? (no whining about your main getting "destroyed")

    To me, it feels like BLM became even stronger now, not because of any buffs, but because SMN got slightly weaker, which puts them as the best AOE job AND a better single target dps than SMN. I might be wrong about this, so please correct me then....

    MNK's dps will go through the roof, but then again, they basically have no AOE, and because of that they should be ahead of other classes when it comes to single target dps. Was it too much though ?

    How are DRG doing after 2.1 ? They got some big buffs too. I honestly don't know how they are ranked in dps right now... How will they stand ?

    I have lvl 50 BRD, BLM, MNK, DRG and I'm working on a SMN, and don't have any main job, I've been waiting for this patch to decide which job to progress further with...
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    Crevox Shadeseer
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    MNK > BLM > SMN > DRG > BRD

    Something like that. Personal view, very early and very soon to say. Don't jump all over me if you disagree or think differently, offer your opinion.

    You can also look at it this way:

    A Tier: MNK, BLM
    B+ Tier: SMN, DRG
    B Tier: BRD

    Honestly, the thing is, the DPS differences between some of the classes is kinda small, and skill plays a large portion in determining how much damage a class does. It's hard to say one does more DPS than another without realizing this. There's also the fact that a class like BRD offers great utility that a party wouldn't otherwise have in exchange for a lack of DPS (and said utility can also be a DPS increase when it comes to things like TP regen song).

    Either way, I believe the above to be correct (personal opinion, again).
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    Last edited by Crevox; 12-15-2013 at 08:06 PM.

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    Pike Incredibro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crevox View Post
    MNK > BLM > SMN > DRG/BRD

    Something like that. Personal view, very early and very soon to say. Don't jump all over me if you disagree or think differently, offer your opinion.

    You can also look at it this way:

    A Tier: MNK, BLM
    B+ Tier: SMN
    B Tier: DRG, BRD
    agreed, mostly. as a mnk i'm almost embarrassed at the insane damage buff we got that we didn't even need. (i also feel really bad for the SMN. they got the debuff that they didn't need) i feel like DRGs might place a tad but higher - somewhere between B/B+ just because they can now safely use their jumps without fear of dying in animation lock from AOE and things.
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    i feel like DRGs might place a tad but higher - somewhere between B/B+ just because they can now safely use their jumps without fear of dying in animation lock from AOE and things.
    Yeah, DRG is probably a bit too low. They got straight up buffed, I'll adjust for that.
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    Atiqa Craiger
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    Did DRG really have that low of a dps, so that they still only beat BRD's ?

    Somehow it feels like I only should choose between BLM or MNK.... The others might not be too far behind, but it's enough for me to feel left out, and others might feel the same when making groups.....

    When it comes to single target dps, it should be like this: MNK > DRG > SMN > BLM/BRD, IMO.... Jobs with low AOE have higher single target dps, and BRD have lower dps because of utility.

    BLM at the moment is an all in one type of job it feels like...
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    Purgatory Kampfer
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    Marauder Lv 50
    I think SE has always wanted BLM to be the highest dps...and I am fine with that. AND I am a MNK main.

    They had to buff DRG and MNK due to the mechanics of many boss fights...we are constantly having to run out of range to avoid dmg.

    Way I look at it...MNK will be above DRG on fights that are drawn out and don't require heavy movement. DRG will outdamage MNK on shorter fights where avoiding AOE is key. BLM will outdamage both.

    As for BRD...I kinda think they got what they deserved...cant just sit back running around not taking any damage and expect to deal the most damage. Especially not with those pants.
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    Azalea Cindersong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nash20 View Post
    As for BRD...I kinda think they got what they deserved...cant just sit back running around not taking any damage and expect to deal the most damage. Especially not with those pants.
    I don't care if you're mistaken about bards doing the most damage, but how dare you question our multi-colored pants?
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    Philia Felice
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    DRG is probably going to have better ST damage than BLM in 2.1. I know I personally out-DPS'd a full i90 DRG with my full i90 BLM consistently in 2.05, but not by a terrible amount, and if DRG gets buffed 10% - 20%, you can bet they'll be one of the top DPS classes if everything goes right for them and they're played well. SMN got a chunk of their DPS thrown out the window but with pet they're still going to beat BLM a bit on sustained DPS, considering how bad they can currently outshine BLM unless we get a proc storm.

    It's almost certainly going to be this order for sustained ST DPS in 2.1:

    MNK > DRG > SMN > BLM > BRD

    BLM is still going to be AoE king, though much less so due to no double Flare glitch and an inferior Blizzard II which was a staple in many AoE rotations. The improved Freeze may or may not take its place in 2.1, though there's a chance we'll still be doing Blizzard II > Blizzard II or just now Blizzard III after any Flare > Transpose (if that's still a viable AoE method due to Blizzard II's nerf in the first place). I don't think BLM will somehow jump ahead of SMN because they lost Thunder, and with all the buffs to DRG, I can't see us keeping ahead of them in equal gearing if played well.
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    Last edited by Sleigh; 12-15-2013 at 09:59 PM.

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    Raein Tilgung
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    Balmung
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Dragoon got a collective 200 potency added to skills we try to use/maintain as often as possible. Along with a straight up 5% damage increase.

    Jumps can actively be used in evasion intensive fights and have a 50% damage boost 33% more often, cool down timings pending.

    Lost some damage from IR CC nerf, but MNK and BRD took a hit in return from BfB CC nerf.
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    Zelia Sarrasin
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    MNK > BLM > DRG=SMN > BRD
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