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    Player Rochetm's Avatar
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    Kicking Wolf
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    Lamia
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeliott View Post
    Even in Coil, every turn except the last in certain phases is easy to keep it up. I have to wonder if the people complaining about it falling off all the time were too vocal, when GL is part of the skill / reward of playing the most complex DPS job. 27% more damage at GLIII over a long fight is some crazy stuff. It might end up balancing with the other job changes, but on paper it seems a bit much right now.
    Devs do very little listening to forum complaints. They saw there was a major flaw with their content design when looking at how warriors are built and they adjusted for that. All other changes are things they thought where important.

    Good monks have been saying things like GL duration are fine and only bads where complaining about it. Drg and Mnk are not intended to be easy to play as... I still don't understand how everyone is missing this.

    Smn was clearly to high before and they are getting nerfed a little. Blm are not gods of single target no mater how much they would like you to believe that. Bard nerf is almost nothing except for RoD which I really don't understand... I woudn't be surprised if its a translation error on that one. Drg was hurting but their biggest issue was jumps killing them.

    We have single target dps (mnk and drg), aoe dps (Blm) and support dps (smn and brd). There is a very good chance the jobs will now rank exactly where they should for what they do.
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    Last edited by Rochetm; 12-16-2013 at 01:36 PM.

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    PriyaJugulataris's Avatar
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    Princess Priya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochetm View Post
    Devs do very little listening to forum complaints. They saw there was a major flaw with their content design when looking at how warriors are built and they adjusted for that. All other changes are things they thought where important.
    We have single target dps (mnk and drg), aoe dps (Blm) and support dps (smn and brd). There is a very good chance the jobs will now rank exactly where they should for what they do.
    I don't get where you are getting your jobs ranked for what they were intended for because I don't know about you, but I can't read developer's minds, but I think it's well agreed that summoner and monks excelled at single target dps, where as black mages and dragoons excelled at burst where as bards were ranged with support capabilities. If anything, the thunder change (since it's global and not summoner specific) is based off of lack of AoE in the other caster classes, which is fairly idiotic since most of said complaints were cuz FATE's.
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    Solid Lafolia
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    Last edited by Kasue; 08-22-2014 at 09:43 AM.

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    Azalea Cindersong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasue View Post
    on ST <20-30s it will be DRG>MNK>BLM>SMN>BRD
    on cleave SMN>BLM>BRD=DRG>MNK
    These are not correct. Monks effectively start with a -40% damage debuff (dragon kick, twin snakes, greased lightning x 3), they will be the worst ST dps on fights less than 30 seconds long unless they use PB. Bards have really high single target burst (if they burn barrage, they are undoubtedly the highest single target burst) due to multiple off-global attacks and a lot of cooldowns.

    Bards are also substantially better than BLM at cleave fights (Wind Bite/Venomous Bite on all targets, Flame Arrow under them, no cooldown Blood Letter/Heavy Shot spam). Summoners are pretty high because of Contagion + Bane, but losing Thunder will hurt them in this category, not sure by how much.
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    Player Rochetm's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProxyTooMuch View Post
    These are not correct. Monks effectively start with a -40% damage debuff (dragon kick, twin snakes, greased lightning x 3), they will be the worst ST dps on fights less than 30 seconds long unless they use PB. Bards have really high single target burst (if they burn barrage, they are undoubtedly the highest single target burst) due to multiple off-global attacks and a lot of cooldowns.
    Mnks are by far the lowest dps job in the under 30 seconds range... that includes anything that resets GL and even PB won't do much to fix it. It takes 5 attacks with PB just to get up to full dps power for mnks... even if each attack only took 2 seconds that is 10 seconds of being low dps. Long term 10 sec is nothing... short term 10 secs is life or death.

    My monk has more i90 than my drg and I have +1 for mnk. I farm on drg because the burst is so much higher.
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    Baal Mirtaq
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    Shiva
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasue View Post
    on ST <20-30s it will be DRG>MNK>BLM>SMN>BRD
    on cleave SMN>BLM>BRD=DRG>MNK
    on large pulls BLM>SMN>BRD=DRG>MNK
    More like:
    ST burst: DRG>BLM>BRD>MNK>SMN
    Cleave: SMN>BRD=BLM>MNK>DRG
    AOE: BLM>DRG>SMN=BRD>MNK

    At least imo.
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    Raine Jaeger
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    Balmung
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    I think the classes will all be more competitive with each other and more balanced than they were before the patch, at the very least. Perfect balance will never exist, and even if it did, people would still find ways to discriminate or rank, even if based on ignorance.
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    OrionInerghem's Avatar
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    Aldebaron Phoenix
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    Hyperion
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Let's get one thing straight here.

    For AoE once you hit 4 mobs+ it's BLM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else


    Just an Average Flare in WP doing 17,626 DMG, with convert x2 so roughly 35,252 DMG in 3 secs. Not including the Fire II>> Bliz 2 rotations and back to Flare outside of that.
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    Dorian Makai
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    Mateus
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Hence why they are AoE kings.
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    Alizebeth Bequin
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    Brynhildr
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Why are monks better than smn on burst?

    SMN have a ramp up time of 6-10 seconds. This is actually shorter than DRG, who don't reach rough avg dps until after the first TTT.

    Monks have a ramp up of about 45 seconds w/o PB.

    Why are any TP users higher than MP users for AoE?

    We can AoE for quite a while (even SMN), while TP users run dry after about 7 or 8 uses.
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    Last edited by pandabearcat; 12-18-2013 at 04:27 AM.

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