Thread: Diabolos FC Progression Thread Version 2.0

Originally Posted by Forge

Honestly, I think Turn 6-9 Savage is a greater achievement than Ramuh extreme. If you're going to count one you might as well count the other. With so many groups on this server logging on to clear normal turns in 1-2 hours and then logging off, it gives those big progression groups on Diabolos something to do before new coils come out... or something to do in general. I don't think it's necessarily "Lazy" filler, there are already tweaks and new mechanics in T6.

If Savage Coil was designed for hardcore players, why wouldn't the hardcore players of this thread account it as progression?

Ramuh Ex is not progression at all lol. If it were up to me I would definitely NOT count it. A fight cannot be considered progression when the loot/ difficulty are FAR BELOW current content already on farm. Ramuh Ex was implemented for casual players . I would put it on the same level as CT.

I only put Ramuh EX in there because it only seemed natural. It's merely there for just be there for others to see that "Oh hey, this one FC/LS beat Ramuh EX how interesting."

If a majority of people deem it unworthy of being on the list then it will be removed.

As for Savage Coil#2 are we counting that? Given the point that Savage Coil#2 is just purely for fun and filler.

If groups are going to put alot of time in and take it seriously then count it I guess. I don't think we are gonna be doing it.

I'm going to assume that you've never tried Ramuh Ex cow since from my experience it was the hardest out of all the extremes in terms of party coordination and ADD phase DPS checks. And from what you said, Ultima HM and Levi Ex shouldn't be counted as progression either o.o;

Savage Coil is progression no matter what people think of it as; there should not even be any doubts... Despite its small reward of granting you a bigger e-peen it is still currently the hardest content available.

I guess this'll separate things for the people who want the challenge over the gear.

For the future they really should separate the lockouts though so people still have the option of getting gear while continuing to throw themselves at the harder version.

For the sake of thread consistently Extreme primals should be tracked, whether it's progression or not is relative. People not able to clear second coils might see Ramuh as the next step in progression, while people afking in Mor Dhona with their HA weapons on display will stomp it after a couple hours with their static. None of the extremes have been 'progression' in the sense that they've all been released at a time when people could already outgear them. But we've always tracked it, so we may as well keep doing it. Savage Coil may not be 'progression' in terms of loot, but it IS the hardest content in the game.

Not sure if Ramuh is being tracked but here is Zodiac Braves kill screenshot http://imgur.com/l74oBnG

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