Summoner got destroyed this patch

[Stupified]

I understand what SE was trying to do. Make SMN better AOE and worse ST to allow MNK and BLM to better compete single target. But heres the thing, you took a SMN into coil because though they had no real advantages in burst dps checks, their overall great DMG made up for it. Now that BLM and SMN will be roughly competitive ST dmg, AND even though SMN might be better at AOE (there are very few endgame situations where AOE is truly a challenge), might as well just Go/Bring BLM for all circumstances. Seems all SE looked at was what they wanted certain job roles to be, not how it translated to overall endgame need.

[Wolfenkritter]

I understand what SE was trying to do. Make SMN better AOE and worse ST to allow MNK and BLM to better compete single target.

I was under the impression the reason for Blizzard II to become CC, was to act more of a situational panic button for when you get surrounded rather than an actual AoE damage skill. Probably relevant to WHM/SCH and PvP... but pretty much worthless on a SMN since, again, they have Tri-Disaster for that.

The SMN's AoE potential will remain unchanged. The only difference is they just can no longer cleave Thunder across multiple enemies in-between using Bane or Shadow Flare.

[Kalandros]

I understand what SE was trying to do. Make SMN better AOE and worse ST to allow MNK and BLM to better compete single target. But heres the thing, you took a SMN into coil because though they had no real advantages in burst dps checks, their overall great DMG made up for it. Now that BLM and SMN will be roughly competitive ST dmg, AND even though SMN might be better at AOE (there are very few endgame situations where AOE is truly a challenge), might as well just Go/Bring BLM for all circumstances. Seems all SE looked at was what they wanted certain job roles to be, not how it translated to overall endgame need.

All I read here is uninformed assumptions
All I read here is boring whining without anything to back up the claims

BLM is getting their own balancing with the fixing of umbral/astral and mana so that they can't do their usual burst tricks. They still have burst, just less frequent
SMN is getting their own balancing with removing a THM dot.


Twintania pull used to go, on the 3 scourges:

BLM opens up on one then triple flares the lot
SMN dots one up, (I like to miasma II the lot before contagion), Contagion, Banes, shadow flares, spend your Aetherflow stacks, get another 3 stack and use it up if you want, dot up twintania while your dots are up on the 3 scourges

So far you haven't needed to ruin spam.

Also pushing Twintania to drop the first Neurolink is all dependent on the DOTs I put - we call dps to stop at 89% right after a Death Sentence. When DPS is called to stop - I open up all my dots + contagion and shadow flare and then we wait for the ~10 second mark before DS for everyone to continue DPS and push her to drop neurolink and do a Death sentence before the first meteor - this way, the MT can go in each conflag to avoid death sentence for the entire conflag phase and only worry about virus during Twisters and the last phase.

I don't know about you, but I quite enjoy this way of controlling the DPS. I got my role in my group.

Things will be slightly different for Twintania with the Virus nerf, but other than that, my own role is unchanged.

[T0rin]

I understand what SE was trying to do. Make SMN better AOE and worse ST to allow MNK and BLM to better compete single target. But heres the thing, you took a SMN into coil because though they had no real advantages in burst dps checks, their overall great DMG made up for it. Now that BLM and SMN will be roughly competitive ST dmg, AND even though SMN might be better at AOE (there are very few endgame situations where AOE is truly a challenge), might as well just Go/Bring BLM for all circumstances. Seems all SE looked at was what they wanted certain job roles to be, not how it translated to overall endgame need.

But BLM will still not be competitive in ST damage, and MNK will only be competitive in fights that involve a lot of pure stand-up DPS. (T1 and T2)