WAR is IR worth it after the nerf?

[Nalou]

Well, I was more saying this for people spamming overpower/flash and totally ignoring the wrath/hate building combos. These are probably not the people doing BC, but mostly people doing dungeons from lv 30 to AK/WP farm. And fact is flash is bad for all these.

I also said the point of cross-class skills was to be adjustable depending on situations. So there will always be situations where flash is handy, and there might even be situations where flash is needed. You seem more advanced in end-game that I am, so you might know situations where flash is a really clever move... that doesn't mean it's one for the vast majority of the game nor for the majority of people reading these boards.



You have some really good and intelligent reasons to use flash (combos, anticipating claims), and some totally wrong reasons like lazyness in positionning/pulling which sounds wrong.

[Darthvoltrius]

The problem is people have this attitude that theres only ONE DEFINITIVE WAY TO GEAR/PLAY WARRIOR OR NOTHING ELSE!

Warrior is a versatile tank, we can MT or OT, we'll be able to tank trash mobs easier/more efficiently now, give a 10% dmg reduction to our PLD MT or for ourselves if we are MT/ etc.

Look at all of our gear possibilities, we have Determination/Parry/Skill Speed/Crit build to chose from for each different situation. Why do you think there are people who value Gryphonskin instead of pure allagan accessories or vice versa?

Variety folks, look at our abilities/cross class abilities, they let us pick and chose depending on the fight/boss mechanics/etc

Examples

Turn 1 I don't NEED Flash or Provoke, I time a Butcher's Block combo and use Butcher's Block on the 2nd snake and bam, established hate. I'd rather have Featherfoot/2nd Wind/Awareness/something more useful for snake.

Turn 2 I use a more DPS oriented setup gear wise, why? we cant parry in turn 2 or dodge so I take off Featherfoot and put something more useful like 2nd Wind and put on more "DPS oriented" gear I use Provoke/Internal/Conva/2nd Wind/ Awareness or Mantra

Turn 4 dont NEED provoke, only flash (Which may change with the steel Cyclone Enmity buff and can use something more beneficial to you or party like mantra)

Turn 5 as OT WAR I don't NEED Full Vit Accessories, I go DPS Accessories and can survive. If you are MT WAR for Twintania then yeah I can see wearing more Vit Accessories.
etc etc

TL: DR There's no one definitive way of how to gear/play warrior, don't be detrimental to your group simply because of your ego and that you want to MT EVERYTHING. It all depends on fight mechanics/group communication/your playstyle and other stuff.

[Leiron]

Why would you utilize more DPS oriented gear for t2 when you have a stacking debuff?
Generally curious about that choice, since I've found from personal experience stacking vit was better overall.

[Sleigh]

You have some really good and intelligent reasons to use flash (combos, anticipating claims), and some totally wrong reasons like lazyness in positionning/pulling which sounds wrong.

It's nothing to do with laziness, Flash's 360 radius is a large advantage in both speed in acquiring aggro and in range, where you couldn't hit all the mobs you need without spending precious time moving to different sides.

[Riyos]

Ooooook, Second Wind>IR

[SpookyGhost]

IR is better for DPSing, without a doubt. Second Wind is potentially better for tanking. Wait for 2.1 and we'll see.

[Kitru]

Turn 1 I don't NEED Flash or Provoke, I time a Butcher's Block combo and use Butcher's Block on the 2nd snake and bam, established hate. I'd rather have Featherfoot/2nd Wind/Awareness/something more useful for snake.

You should never use Awareness, whether as a WAR or as a PLD, because it prevents you from getting crit by *any* ability used against you, which includes heals. Since the only thing that bosses use that can score crits is their auto-attack while pretty much *everything* your healers use can score a crit (the only exceptions are flat percentage abilities, like Lustrate, Benediction, and Stoneskin), Awareness actually hurts you more than it helps you. I've taken it off of my bars for PLD and don't even think about wasting a cross-class slot on it for WAR.

[Darthvoltrius]

Why would you utilize more DPS oriented gear for t2 when you have a stacking debuff?
Generally curious about that choice, since I've found from personal experience stacking vit was better overall.

I use my Gryphonskin / Rose gold earring/ Allagan Feet (for the 11 det) and a allagan dps accessory

I have 7.7k hp in party without food, 8k with food so I still maintain survivability. Do you have a SCH? They are amazing for Warriors man, I love my SCH

[Darthvoltrius]

You should never use Awareness, whether as a WAR or as a PLD, because it prevents you from getting crit by *any* ability used against you, which includes heals. Since the only thing that bosses use that can score crits is their auto-attack while pretty much *everything* your healers use can score a crit (the only exceptions are flat percentage abilities, like Lustrate, Benediction, and Stoneskin), Awareness actually hurts you more than it helps you. I've taken it off of my bars for PLD and don't even think about wasting a cross-class slot on it for WAR.

True, I honestly mainly use it like almost right at the beginning when I'm tanking my snake, since it has 0-1 stacks, or in turn 4 phase 5-6 they won't hit hard but I think of it as a "just in case it crits me" and only lasts 15 secs but yeah I've been thinking of using Mantra more often than Awareness even though its a measly 5% its still better overall

[Paikis]

I can see Awareness being situationally useful for PLDs, I mean you've got to have the ability anyway, may as wlel use it for something, even if it is just making certain that a single attack doesn't crit at a bad time. For WAR though, it isn't worth losing the cross-class ability slot.

Turn it on to ensure that the auto-attack immediately following the large hit doesn't crit, then turn it off early. I think a lot of people forget that you can cancel buffs early (Berserk is another one that it is sometimes good to do this with).