An Open Letter to Yoshida-san: Please Slice One Zero Off the Housing Prices

[DarthDelerium]

Yoshi, although I don't know you personally I feel like I'm accurate in assuming that behind the closed door meetings and the PR written responses to your games community you really couldn't give a shit about those of us who play the game. And that's o k. The feelings mutual. Its called Dunbar's number. (For those of you who don't know what that is...look it up.)

For those of you who are experiencing MMOs for the first time here or are still somewhat new to the subject please prepare yourself for one constant. Disappointment and overwhelming under-appreciation. Your going to pay a monthly subscription to a game(s) that reels you in with promises and always fails to deliver. But don't quit completely it's the nature of the beast. Not everyone can be pleased all of the time. Different strokes for different folks as they say, yes? Anyhow back at the subject at hand....housing. Something I feel NO MMO should be without.

[DarthDelerium]

Why on Earth would SE go the route they ultimately went? Lets grind the shit out of something until our eyes bleed and we start chewing off our own fingers to get away from the keyboard. It's because they have a different way of thinking/doing things than us Westerners. However, from a GLOBAL COMPANY STANDPOINT, it seems like a poor choice to only do things one way. This is clearly visible in FF14:ARR in the fact that they have "Americanized" (SOMEWHAT) the western releases not just FF14:ARR but all SE titles, PC or otherwise. However the basic Eastern fundamentals are still there...grind your ass off. Here's a thought Yoshi. If you really listen (although this is late) think this over. Instead of a GIL GRIND FEST FROM THE 7TH CIRCLE OF HELL in order to "balance" and obtain a housing plot...just the plot mind you.

[DarthDelerium]

Why not involve the FCs in a more SOCIAL means. I.E. require the plots to be excavated and the homes to be built with massive quantities of goods/raw materials? Economy boosted by adding more money into the system and out of the pockets of the individual while at the same time bringing a race of competition and goods to the market. As well as bringing FCs closer socially in order to obtain said goods. fail-proof right? WRONG. The amount of man hours required to work that net code is NOT cost Effective. (remember that regurgitated comment?) and thus it's simplified by making you grind it out.

[Ksenia]

Why not involve the FCs in a more SOCIAL means. I.E. require the plots to be excavated and the homes to be built with massive quantities of goods/raw materials? Economy boosted by adding more money into the system and out of the pockets of the individual while at the same time bringing a race of competition and goods to the market. As well as bringing FCs closer socially in order to obtain said goods. fail-proof right? WRONG. The amount of man hours required to work that net code is NOT cost Effective. (remember that regurgitated comment?) and thus it's simplified by making you grind it out.

Here to defend SE on this one.

Building the house is a crafting venture of biblical proportion. It's going to take more than one or two Builders of the realm to put up a Mansion. I don't know how many wall units and roof units and floor tiles, ceiling tiles, the schematics request but the building aspect of ARR Housing is on par with SWG PreCU house crafting, without the factories.

I salute them in this respect. They went all out in how that's done.

Add On: Be nice if you made these schematics public, SE. I can spend a good month or two just getting the lists together to make whatever house we want to build but I do need a shopping list.

[DarthDelerium]

Here to defend SE on this one.

Building the house is a crafting venture of biblical proportion. It's going to take more than one or two Builders of the realm to put up a Mansion. I don't know how many wall units and roof units and floor tiles, ceiling tiles, the schematics request but the building aspect of ARR Housing is on par with SWG PreCU house crafting, without the factories.

I salute them in this respect. They went all out in how that's done.

Add On: Be nice if you made these schematics public, SE. I can spend a good month or two just getting the lists together to make whatever house we want to build but I do need a shopping list.

Did you play SWG PreCU? Am I confused somewhere? In no way does grinding Gil even remotely resemble the awesomeness that was SWG crafting.

[Ksenia]

Did you play SWG PreCU? Am I confused somewhere? In no way does grinding Gil even remotely resemble the awesomeness that was SWG crafting.

You are talking about the land. I am talking about the house and all the new recipes and parts recipes that have been added. In this respect, S.E. are kind of right. Even if you buy your plot today, you are a long way from a Building.

I don't support the over the top land prices but I do respect the detail in the crafting of a house.

Another suggestion S.E.

Learn from the past.
Tifa lived in the slums. We didn't look down on her. You need story line to make it "cool" for us to be in the slums and story line for us to want to get the hell out.

[LiadansWhisper]

I am not sure what the fuss is all about here. Basically he is saying that the economies were reviewed before making the housing prices. Personally I don't see a problem with them. On my server a first rate large plot of land is 100 million. Assuming you have a company that has 500 members in it and all of them contribute then that is 200k per member. Which, is an easily affordable sum. Of course you don't have to go first rate either, you can go up to fifth rate or you can down size to make it even cheaper.

This whole thing is being blown out of proportion. If you don't have the active members to actually work as a free company to achieve the goal then you need to do more recruiting. If they don't contribute then they are not interested in the housing in the first instance. If you have a small company, then you are over reaching too much to try and afford a large first rate plot.

I know this may be difficult for you to understand, since apparently you are only aware of how it is on your server, but on your server, that being Coerul, the smallest piece of land costs 6.4 million gil, and the largest costs 100mil. I, too, agree that this is reasonable. But on my server, the smallest piece of land in the least favorable spot starts at twenty million gil. The largest, best plot of land on my server goes for 312.5 million gil.

Our servers are not the same. Please do not dismiss what people are saying simply because you are only aware of what is going on on your server.

[Sleverin]

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This is exactly the problem...the Legacy servers are hit the worst and their claim is that "Well, y'all have more gil on the server itself, shouldn't be a problem of linear progression like the rest of the servers with obtaining gil." That's ridiculous. I came to this game with 250k gil, and there are many like me. YES there are people in my FC that have large sums of gil...2 people to be exact. And we looked at it and if they threw every single bit of gil in, we still wouldn't even be able to afford the cheapest large plot of land. Our LS transferred from 1.0 and had been working on making money for housing since then and since the beginning of 2.0. That's at least a year of paid subscription of people busting hump to be able to afford housing and then we get slapped with this.

Of course, people will ask, why do you want the large plot of land? If you check our Free Company, Pandemonium, we are the 10th on the server in active members out of 1300(ish), we are literally .8% of the population and have a good amount of members. The only people who beat us out in membership are essentially blanket invite shout FCs. Our heads have played the market, made an amazing chunk of change, and we still don't have enough to even get close to the cheap plots we would like. Have we not worked hard enough? Were weeks of materia SB farming and then fighting the markets and the RNG for new materia not enough? We now have to grind quests after beating out tons of people with our hard work? Simply because a small Illuminati-esque group HAS gil doesn't mean it should punish the server. There are 45 total large plots in the game...the largest FCs total less than that and that's assuming they all want one.

[DarthDelerium]

In closing allow me to pass on some knowledge to all those out there looking for it. (And if you don't want to take my advice or don't believe me look at the history of any subjugated people) IF you don't like your situation, change it. DO NOT support something you don't believe in. Take a stand. Make a choice. If you feel you've been wronged, cancel your subscription. If you don't give a damn, keep playing. Look what happened to FF14. Enough people said F U and moved on to more promising prospects and the game was shut down. It happens. Bottom line don't feel like your forced to do something.

[DarthDelerium]

On a side note some people are long winded. 1000 characters for each forum post sucks...virtual space is almost endless and reservations are not necessary.