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    i can understand one thing, that SE need to think and plan well how they gonna get themself out of here (without forget that christmas is soon there)
    anyway, i want to put something in light since a loooot of people believe it's easier to make money on legacy server.

    most of the Auction House price on the legacy server are 2 at 10 times lower than the one on the new server, was said countless time. mostly because people don't need stuff, they have crafter and gatherer. the furniture market on the legacy server will be... low, for the same reason (and because the number of house ^^)
    then what it leave us for get gils? the same quest, than on new player server. like said by Yoshida, it's will give you around 20.000gils per day.
    let's do some math, will you?

    let's take the small house price in the most expensive server.
    one small house on the higher price is 40.000.000gils (for the cheapest one) let's divide it by 20.000 gils per day for see the time needed by one person for get the house at this price.
    40.000.000/20.000= 2000 days for someone alone ( more of 5 years), but it's a FC house, let's see for a group of 20 person (the number max of people that can enter the house) 2000/20= 100 day, yeah 3 month for get acces to the cheapest plot at give everything you get !

    let's make the same math for the cheapest house of the cheapest server, it's easy it's 4.000.000gils, meaning 10 times less. for make it short, a FC of 20 people will need 10 days for get the cheapest house with the exactly same mechanic than the legacy server.

    that what people find not normal, why the game is different because of a choice of server 4 month ago (or more of 2 years ago)?

    one game, one treatment, is not that hard to understand?
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    daily bump of justice. Reduce Prices SE.
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    Agree with most here, SE needs to change the prices and add more houses if they worry they will run out.
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    I was mad about this since the day the patch notes were posted, but the rest of my free company has started to get annoyed at this too. (On Legacy Balmung server.) We are between that rock and a hard place--on the one hand, we are wanting to do the content NOW like we thought we were going to be able to; on the other hand, we don't want to blow all of our accumulated gil to get something NOW because we know that SE is just trying to punish us and everyone on our server for earning gil in 1.0.

    Hold out for more reasonable prices, or settle. I suppose it's the question every free company has to face. But one thing is for sure. It's leaving a bad taste in everyone's mouths, and we're starting to bicker and be bitter about it. In reality, the blame for all this devolves squarely on S-E and their terrible implementation of this content.

    Reduce the prices. One price per plot across all servers. Eorzeans against housing discrimination.
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    --Ghalleon Helseth of Arrzaneth
    Eius in obitu nostro praesentia muniamur.

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    @Edellis, is not the housing the trouble, is the fact that the playerbase is divided too often by the decision of SE.
    when you pay a subscription fee in a mmorpg, you want to have the same game than the other person next to you. the same fair chance to get acces to the same feature.

    there, if the person next to you have decide to begin on a new player server at the release of ARR, this person get advantage and you person that play on legacy server get bashed. people think i'm going to far by saying discrimination, but it's one.... an increadible one... for the first time in a mmorpg with sub fee, person that pay don't get the same game... nor the same feature.

    for me, and i guess i'm not the only one, it's pretty important to make it know that we don't accept this. you don't have two sort of playerbase, the one on new sever and the one on legacy server... we are only one playerbase... time to stop to kick one while being nice with the other one.

    one game, one playerbase...
    it's time to stop it... all the people saying that legacy have too much gils or stuff... i will say, we are 4 month since the release, you have people on new server with tons of gils and with all them class to 50 like on legacy server. the best example, Twintania of BC was killed on new server like legacy one. what the hell is the difference between one or the other? gils?....

    if that soo much a trouble... do a wipe of the gils... place a hard cap that player can't get over and wipe all the gil over it... indeed it will not please the rich... but if it allows us to have the same game than the new player is maybe a small price to pay for it.
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    Last edited by silentwindfr; 12-23-2013 at 08:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwindfr View Post
    if that soo much a trouble... do a wipe of the gils... place a hard cap that player can't get over and wipe all the gil over it... indeed it will not please the rich... but if it allows us to have the same game than the new player is maybe a small price to pay for it.
    I can almost 100% guarantee you with every fiber of my being that if Square decided to do that, they'd have just as crazy a sh*tstorm of complainers as they do now, probably worse. "Removing our hard earned work", "going back on promises", "stealing", nearly every bad accusation under the dictionary would become ammo for complaints.

    And this is why i'm not mad at Square for trying, even if they may have screwed up. Because in these sorts of situations, it's literally impossible to please everybody and get out without someone taking it deeply personal.

    This wouldn't be an issue if Square just forced everyone to restart the same as every newcomer to ARR, but that didn't happen. And, again, if they did, you'd have probably the same group of people taking it personally.
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    Last edited by Edellis; 12-23-2013 at 09:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edellis View Post
    I can almost 100% guarantee you with every fiber of my being that if Square decided to do that, they'd have just as crazy a sh*tstorm of complainers as they do now, probably worse. "Removing our hard earned work", "going back on promises", "stealing", nearly every bad accusation under the dictionary would become ammo for complaints.
    Ironically, there's quite a few people out there whom have had the pleasure of having this happen. I do recall quite a few of those quotes being used. It's already happened, and the issue is still that bad. I'm with you though, or should I say, I'm with SE. If they want to make it content that's out of my personal reach, then so be it. Who am I to say they don't know how much gil is out there.
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    Squee didn't want to purge the lolworthy ammounts of money some Legacy players had back in the day (and won't do it now, either) for fear they will go "Wahh! My money! Screw it, I'm not coming back if I'm not rich!". I bet in their minds those people are called "loyal customers" or something. So instead they are hoping these highly rich players will waste their money at the first extremely expensive venture. But that's not what is going to happen. Rich people don't make their money to throw it away on the first extremely expensive things you offer them. However, I'm sure these prices will only manage to purge only a few of these gil piles. Just not as many as Squee expects.

    I also suspect Squee's expecting people to grind content and stay at least for the three months that will take the land prices to drop to their minimum. That's 3 months of "ensured" subscriptions where they don't have to worry about people leaving the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ildur View Post
    So instead they are hoping these highly rich players will waste their money at the first extremely expensive venture. But that's not what is going to happen. Rich people don't make their money to throw it away on the first extremely expensive things you offer them.
    And that's apparently what's happening. The only house on Balmung (Legacy), was bought with "new money", gil that had been made by current in-game activities (6 weeks of grinding philo items, 36 per week per member), not vast stores of v1 money being spent away in huge chunks.

    And as I mentioned earlier, money from market sales comes out of other players' potential housing savings, so making lots of money that way only works if a few are selling to the many. In other words, "every" FC or player could not make lots of money this way.
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    So.. when they gonna drop the price?

    I mean.. really drop the price, not the 90 day 50% garbage.
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