I'm disgusted with the bard nerf.

[Ooshima]

"I want to have utility that no other DPS has, ok? But also be better than another pure DPS. Or be counted among top DPS"

Sigh

No.

How about you actually read? Haven't seen any statement here saying that BRDs should be tweaked to be anywhere near the top DPS. We only ask that they consider tweaking it so that the DPS gap doesn't widen. Closing the disparity =/= elevate BRD to top/god DPS status please.

[Zephyranthes]

How about you actually read? Haven't seen any statement here saying that BRDs should be tweaked to be anywhere near the top DPS. We only ask that they consider tweaking it so that the DPS gap doesn't widen. Closing the disparity =/= elevate BRD to top/god DPS status please.

@Ooshima

Let's discuss this when it actually happens. Bards are still doing pretty well in Final Coil. No need to do anything now.

[Ooshima]

@Ooshima

Let's discuss this when it actually happens. Bards are still doing pretty well in Final Coil. No need to do anything now.

I'm not that kind of guy who forsees a problem, and wait until the problem happens before talking about a solution, sorry. The trend of BRD's WD and scaling have been observed for sometime already and it is showing that it is heading towards what we suspected, and we do not wish to see the trend continue any further.

BTW that quote you quoted is not replying to you in case you are mistaken

What's the worst though? people complaining on a 1 year old thread that got necro bumped or people complaining about BRD not being top dps?
Meanwhile BRD is what we call a "Key-Job" on FFXIV, it mean that BRD is mandatory for any end-game scenes and so... a BRD will always have a room in a static.

I'm kind of disappointed :x, you guys have the best movements, decent close to awesome dps, an incredible usefulness to a team, a nice aoe potency and welcome in any speed runs party.
...
Meanwhile, as a smn I'm on the edge of simply quitting the game because of terrible balance issues in fcob (t13)....... Shame on you.

BRD have BRD issues which is based on facts, SMNs have SMNs issues which is raised in another thread, people notice something and voice out their opinion. So what's your point? There are still SMN out there that clears T13 too right? So, shame on you too? Lel.

[Erana]

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[Zephyranthes]

I've been seeing posts about bards having pretty good numbers in final coil, might want to search on that. Critical hit is an insane stat for them with the current ilvl of gear. Top endgame raiders are pretty satisfied with a bard's dps output.

Also, when checking dps numbers, don't just look at the base digit gap.

Eg (random numbers only):
1. 2.3
400 - Mnk
300 - Bard
Number gap : 100
% gap : 33.33%

2. 2.45
1. 2.3
500 - Mnk
375- Bard
Number gap : 125 <-- makes the gap seem more bigger each patch but the % may actually be the same
% gap : 33.33%

As of the moment, there is no need to make the dps gap smaller.

[Ooshima]

I've been seeing posts about bards having pretty good numbers in final coil, might want to search on that. Critical hit is an insane stat for them with the current ilvl of gear. Top endgame raiders are pretty satisfied with a bard's dps output.

Also, when checking dps numbers, don't just look at the base digit gap.

Eg (random numbers only):
1. 2.3
400 - Mnk
300 - Bard
Number gap : 100
% gap : 33.33%

2. 2.45
1. 2.3
500 - Mnk
375- Bard
Number gap : 125 <-- makes the gap seem more bigger each patch but the % may actually be the same
% gap : 33.33%

As of the moment, there is no need to make the dps gap smaller.

Hilde, as I have pointed out in earlier posts, I'm making awareness of the impending issues that may come. It might be in Heavensward launch or whatever, but it is a point for thought.

Raw figures will eventually meant something. For example, let's maintain the 33.33% difference. In the next level of upgrade, say MNKs will do 600DPS so the 33.33% difference would mean BRDs would be at 450.

Lets remove BRD from the team, which would result in MNKs having to slow down a little/starved TP for a few moments before Invigorate is back up. Assuming that MNKs will suffer a 50DPS loss as a result, that would bring a starved MNK to produce only 550DPS.

The typical DPS composition amongst the teams that pushed world rankings deploys 2 MNKs. That makes it MNK-MNK-BRD-BLM(no resource issues).

MNK-MNK-BRD combi would be 600-600-450, a total 1650.
3 starved MNKs would be 550 x 3 = 1650

Of course, 3 MNKs would be silly, let's say 2 MNKs and a NIN, where NIN alternates Goad on the MNKs:

600+600+500(starved NIN eventually) => 1700. That would be a 50 gain, which might be enough to cover the loss of DPS from the caster due to no Foe (or even more than enough to cover).

You can see that it can become a situation that the value of of bringing in a BRD diminish by a significant margin. In such a situation, the only grace left for BRDs would be the Ballad utility. Might be useful for progression, but again top end game healers would not need Ballad eventually (and they progress fast). I've heard Sera said he doesn't need Ballad anymore. If things remains ceteris paribus, eventually BRDs would be displaced in top endgame teams.

[ChriZirhC]

I think the reason why we're feeling the dps loss now is because fcob, especially t10-12, are like dummy fights which jsut drains our tp as well which forces us to sing songs for ourselves.

Also add the WD difference for the weapon updrade that Ooshima is saying. So not only are we experiencing dps loss because of singing but margin is also getting bigger because our weapon damage is way behind than the other jobs.

[DreamWeaver]

The above analysis should really only be done if there's at least some sort of math done to calculate the dps loss of a tp starved melee class.

Assuming dps loss of 30, your conclusion will be "ehhh the dps loss minimal, off with the bards!!".
Assuming dps loss of 150, your conclusion will be "that's alot of dps loss, bards are important!!".

So any math savvy min-maxing hardcore mathematician wanna help to calculate the theoretical dps loss over a 10 min fight for melee dpsers?

[Ooshima]

The above analysis should really only be done if there's at least some sort of math done to calculate the dps loss of a tp starved melee class.

Assuming dps loss of 30, your conclusion will be "ehhh the dps loss minimal, off with the bards!!".
Assuming dps loss of 150, your conclusion will be "that's alot of dps loss, bards are important!!".

So any math savvy min-maxing hardcore mathematician wanna help to calculate the theoretical dps loss over a 10 min fight for melee dpsers?

Sorry boss, I barely passed advanced math in tertiary education

Anyways I think people does get where I am pointing at, it doesn't probably need any major tweak either. I was probably just irked that they short changed our weapon damage increment by 1WD this patch.

And maybe do something about Rain of Death. The silly One Ilm Punch have a use in PvP, I wonder what use do we really have for Rain of Death's effect lol. I mean, people DO cap accuracy right (don't be bad )

[razzgrizz3]

this is kind of amusing with bard geting slapped like that.
you guys had the easiest class to play with unlimited mobility and no positional requirements.
its kind of...
fiting...