Thread: I am so happy they finally fix Shield Oath on next patch 2.1! Thank you Yoshida-san!!

Originally Posted by Leiron

Tank threat scales fine

No, it doesn't. Tank enmity scales slower than damage/healing because tanks devote a majority of their total itemization towards stats that do absolutely nothing to increase damage/enmity generation: tank accessories have only VIT and most tanks try to eke out every last bit of parry out of a slot possible. The enmity modifier on Shield Oath/Defiance needed to be adjusted upwards to make up for the difference so that the rates remained the same.

If you don't think that tank enmity scales at a lower rate, look at the comparatively enmity generated by a tank and DPS with entry level 50 gear (the DPS will have tiny slivers the entire time even without using their enmity reduction abilities) and at i90 (the DPS will have 25% or so of your total enmity).

Originally Posted by Kitru

No, it doesn't. Tank enmity scales slower than damage/healing because tanks devote a majority of their total itemization towards stats that do absolutely nothing to increase damage/enmity generation

Did I hear someone say Gryphonskin?

Everything Kitru has said here is correct. The world is ending, I'm agreeing with Kitru!

Originally Posted by MithrasInvictus

I would be happy if they increased both the effectiveness and cost of cure for a PLD.

I think a more interesting solution would be for Riot Blade to have some kind of proc chance (for PLD only) that made your next Cure within 10 seconds instant, free, and based upon your attack power rather than healing power. Hardcasting Stoneskin while MTing is already annoying enough, but hardcasting Cure would be even worse (since Stoneskin is "prehealing" so it can't ever really be wasted).

Originally Posted by Kitru

I think a more interesting solution would be for Riot Blade to have some kind of proc chance (for PLD only) that made your next Cure within 10 seconds instant, free, and based upon your attack power rather than healing power. Hardcasting Stoneskin while MTing is already annoying enough, but hardcasting Cure would be even worse (since Stoneskin is "prehealing" so it can't ever really be wasted).

It wouldn't fit. Riot Blade isn't a Paladin ability, it's a Gladiator ability, just like Cure is not a Paladin or Gladiator ability, it is a Conjurer ability that you get to cross class.

If you want Paladin to have a heal, it needs to come from a Job ability or trait and not from a class ability and especially not based on a cross-class ability.

Originally Posted by Paikis

It wouldn't fit. Riot Blade isn't a Paladin ability, it's a Gladiator ability, just like Cure is not a Paladin or Gladiator ability, it is a Conjurer ability that you get to cross class.

Adding additional effects to abilities from the base class is actually something that happens all the time. It's how we get Wrath stack generation on the MAR combo attacks so having PLD getting an additional effect added to Riot Blade is entirely appropriate.

As to the whole "Cure is a cross class skill" thing, the devs already have a strong expectation of players using certain cross class abilities. The devs balance the game around the assumption that casters are going to have the ARC cross-class abilities (they have no native enmity reduction tool, which every other class, except for MNK, has), healers are going to have THM (try getting use out of a combat rez or resummon in combat without Swiftcast) and CNJ/ACN cross-class abilities (Protect from CNJ and Virus/EfE from ACN), and that tanks and DPS are going .have every conceivable CD from their cross-class imaginable (Convalescence is actually the strongest mean mitigation CD that WAR has). The Devs nerfed BRD damage by reducing the benefit of baseline Blood for Blood rather than actually nerfing any attack belonging to BRD, so it's not like the devs don't design and think about classes/jobs in a vacuum. It's not like you can even *be* a PLD without having access to Cure since PLD *requires* 15 levels of CNJ.

If the issue you're having is with the specific mention of Cure (arguing that class/job abilities shouldn't explicitly mention cross-class abilities even if that's what they're intended to be used with), it's just as easy to replace it with "next spell" (which would actually allow you to use it on Cure, Flash, *or* Stoneskin, which provides a substantial amount of versatility, which each ability getting a different level of benefit from the proc: all of them benefit from the "free" part, Cure and SS benefit from the "instant" part, and Cure is the only one that benefits from the "attack power" part). If making it instant is a bit too strong, you could just as easily have it make your next spell be "cast without interruption" instead so that you still have to contend with a cast time.

Originally Posted by Paikis

Did I hear someone say Gryphonskin?

Ctrl+F: Gryphon skin not found.

Furthermore, to my knowledge, the modifiers for enmity should be much higher than the enmity for a DPS class.

Matter of degrees.

Originally Posted by Kitru

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TBH I don't even know why you brought Cure up being it's sooooo terrible at 50 since PLD doesn't support MND modifiers anymore. And while I do agree having a riot blade effect where the next spell/MP abilitiy could cost no mp, instant cast, w/e might be interesting to implement, just the general idea of having abilities/traits that serve a primary/secondary function just for CC abilities kind of gets into some iffy territory that really could take away potential possibilities for the class/job than for a situational or underpowered CC ability.