Huge SMN nerf: we're losing Thunder

[Ryans]

I've never understood why people get so up-in-arms about changes to classes in MMOs before they even get to try out the changes. Come back on the forums on Tuesday after you've thoroughly tested and looked into different possibilities before making 14 pages of "My main got destroyed".

[Crevox]

I've never understood why people get so up-in-arms about changes to classes in MMOs before they even get to try out the changes. Come back on the forums on Tuesday after you've thoroughly tested and looked into different possibilities before making 14 pages of "My main got destroyed".

We're missing a skill. There's nothing to test. It's all clear as day.

[whoopeeragon]

We're missing a skill. There's nothing to test. It's all clear as day.

Hard to say it's 'missing' when it's not part of your actual discipline. Rather it's a bonus from another class.

I'm more worried that you SMNs are so utterly dependent on another class' abilities to shine. If that's the case, then there's more to worry than just swapping cross-class abilities here.

[Zorzi]

FFXIV summoner should have been like FFXI summoner, a TRUE summoner class...as the saying goes...if it ain't broke don't fix it.

FFXI SMN was horrifically broke, what are you talking about?

Hard to say it's 'missing' when it's not part of your actual discipline. Rather it's a bonus from another class.
I'm more worried that you SMNs are so utterly dependent on another class' abilities to shine. If that's the case, then there's more to worry than just swapping cross-class abilities here.

I mostly agree, but Thunder is also a lv8 THM skill - you need lv15 to even unlock SMN so it's literally impossible to have SMN without being able to CC Thunder. To me, that makes it a tad different to something like Swiftcast - which is almost mandatory for every class that can use it but no job requires lv26 THM.

[Theonekitten]

FFXI SMN was horrifically broke, what are you talking about?

What I'm talking about is the whole game mechanic ideal behind XI summoner. Your avatars were your muscle and you had to summon the one more specific to the situations you faced. The current avatars come off to me as nothing more than fancy battle pets. Titan-egi is ok when soloing but what do any of them bring to a group situation besides just hitting the mobs? I want avatars that I can have perform group buffs as well as special abilities like their 2 hour in groups and can make more impact and contribution to a group encounter. There should be more micro managing of your summons.